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If you come in here looking for "anime recommendations" then please refer to this chart before posting: Anime Recommendations (as of may 2014). We also have an IRC channel called #tladt where we all hang out. The channel is on Rizon, not QuakeNet! Feel free to check it out. TLADT discord is Discord.gg

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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 08 2018 11:46 GMT
#126701
Reading all this drama surrounding Goblin Slayer really makes me think it's some poorly done edgy grimdark fantasy. I'd have to watch it myself to form an actual opinion but that means I'd have to watch anime again, ewww...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50612 Posts
October 08 2018 12:26 GMT
#126702
On October 08 2018 16:39 Miragee wrote:
If BigFan says he doesn't like something it must truly be bad.


actually its usually the opposite, he talks shit about shows he has not watched.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 08 2018 13:32 GMT
#126703
On October 08 2018 20:46 Numy wrote:
Reading all this drama surrounding Goblin Slayer really makes me think it's some poorly done edgy grimdark fantasy. I'd have to watch it myself to form an actual opinion but that means I'd have to watch anime again, ewww...

It's a poorly done edgy grimdark fantasy that on occasion randomly goes full shoenen with cutsey companions, dense MC etc.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-08 14:33:59
October 08 2018 14:30 GMT
#126704
What I find really interesting is how isolated the anime community on either side of this drama is. When reading people talk about Goblin Slayer I get the impression there isn't really much knowledge of literature or media outside of anime. Let me spoiler this since even though I haven't watched it I get the idea of what the core drama is. I talk about Goblin Slayer, Berserk and 3-gatsu

+ Show Spoiler +
Most of the discussion seems to be centered around rape and sexual violence. The interesting part to me is that historically female characters in media and especially fantasy writing haven't been anything more than plot devices to propel the male protagonist or story forward. So when sexual violence occurs it's almost solely against women and is at the benefit of the audience of protagonist. It's all about making the audience and protagonist feel emotions. The actual victim of the violence barely matters in this situation.

In reality rape and sexual violence isn't only women but men and children too. The victims of the violence are the ones that are important. The aftermath of rape is important not just the act itself. That's partially why there is so much criticism of rape in media. It often only focuses on the act and discards the aftermath of the victim. It's why Martin gets criticized so much for rape in his books. Sure rape was a part of warfare and the times but he barely ever deals with the lifelong issues the victims face after the act. Instead focuses on the emotional element during the act that audience experiences.

To bring it all back to Goblin Slayer. What I've read is that people are upset that there is explicit rape in the story. The other side says the rape has an in world explanation and it's all about making the audience feel emotion, namely hatred for the goblins. This is the textbook example of poor use of sexual violence in a story. The victims do not matter. There's some lame justification for the rape itself (Goblins need to do that to procreate???). It's only against women, especially teenage girls. It's purely a tool used to set up the story instead of being important parts of characterization.

If we compare this to Berserk's take on it. We have both male, female and children being impacted. We have see how these events shape the characters. We witness the events in their full brutality and the aftermath that these characters that survive have to deal with. It's messy and disgusting. It evokes emotions but it also respects the story and characters enough to not use it as a plot device (Mostly).

3-Gatsu also deals with sexual violence or at least harassment/assault but it focuses mostly on how that trauma shapes our protagonist and not just the act itself. I mean this show is just amazing and I needed another chance to gush about it.


Anyway I just find the whole drama pretty interesting. It's a look into the anime community or at least the vocal one. It being so controversial definitely makes me think it's pretty stereo-typically anime with some grimdark edgy thrown in. Well written dark fantasy doesn't get that kind of popularity typically.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 08 2018 14:55 GMT
#126705
At the very least, it seems like the rape in Goblin Slayer isn't the punchline to some joke like it was in Valvrave or Cross Ange.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 08 2018 15:08 GMT
#126706
Valvrave was so dam bad. That whole plot came out of nowhere and was just so terrible. Cross Ange did some pretty dodgy stuff but idk it has a certain it's so bad it's good charm.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 08 2018 15:15 GMT
#126707
Goblin Slayer blows
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 08 2018 16:08 GMT
#126708
lol, just watched Slime isekai. Thought that's is just something people watch ironically but this shit is amazing. Had a great time watching this and already better than anything else last season had besides maybe Overlord s3.
Def recommend watching if you haven't already, you'll laugh a lot unless you're ... like Miragee I guess

Also, agree with this:



Tamura what a man.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 08 2018 17:55 GMT
#126709
the only positive thing about slime isekai is MC gets an onee-chan figure who carries him around aka he gets to snuggle up to her boobs 24/7
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8630 Posts
October 08 2018 19:06 GMT
#126710
On October 09 2018 01:08 Toadesstern wrote:
lol, just watched Slime isekai. Thought that's is just something people watch ironically but this shit is amazing. Had a great time watching this and already better than anything else last season had besides maybe Overlord s3.
Def recommend watching if you haven't already, you'll laugh a lot unless you're ... like Miragee I guess

Also, agree with this:

https://twitter.com/Kirinodere/status/1049108876266807298

Tamura what a man.


lol, I didn't laugh a single time during episode 1. I'm getting predictable. Pretty sure I'm not going to watch another episode.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 08 2018 19:16 GMT
#126711
The best new show this season, not counting Jojo, is Gridman. I'm honestly surprised by the show. I saw it was a new anime by Trigger, so I just assumed it would be garbage like Darling in the Franxx or memey crap like KLK, but.... It was actually legit. Lets see if Trigger can keep it up.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-08 21:48:03
October 08 2018 21:44 GMT
#126712
Went in completely blind on Goblin Slayer thinking early on its a mix of konosuba / danmachi.

Oh boy.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 08 2018 22:47 GMT
#126713
don't worry

it becomes a mix of konosuba and danmachi if the manga is any indication

occasionally you get some grimdark shit but from what i gathered from the manga after the first two chapters is that it's extremely low stakes

maybe that changes another dozen chapters in
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 09 2018 00:45 GMT
#126714
On October 09 2018 07:47 Zergneedsfood wrote:
don't worry

it becomes a mix of konosuba and danmachi if the manga is any indication

occasionally you get some grimdark shit but from what i gathered from the manga after the first two chapters is that it's extremely low stakes

maybe that changes another dozen chapters in

It keeps alternating between this
+ Show Spoiler [cutsey adventure, dense MC included] +
[image loading]

this
+ Show Spoiler [GS being a merciless badass] +
[image loading]

and then some sexual violence either present or through flashbacks that serve no purpose in regards to the characters or story. The author is great at drawing both the brutal action and standard style, but he's a horrible story writer. :-/
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
October 09 2018 01:09 GMT
#126715
We can only hope they fix that in the anime. If they adapted it verbatim, then GS could be bad. But until I see it, it is a good one to watch for now.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 09 2018 01:58 GMT
#126716
I must have felt a disturbance in the farce, as after I dropped the Keijo!!!! bomb, I then went off. And the past two days I just suddenly re-watched ToraDora! for no observable reason.

Don't worry about Index S3, even CR didn't think it was worth getting the rights for NA. Bunnygirl Senpai depends on how it develops. Zombie Land Saga sounds like School Live from the description but I haven't watched it yet so maybe not. (See above, Taiga has been beating me up.)

Also, someone said Monogatari. So I should probably rewatch all of that.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
October 09 2018 04:10 GMT
#126717
The goblin slayer manga and light novel are fairly different, and the anime is obviously adapting the source material (the light novel).
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
October 09 2018 13:19 GMT
#126718
The sheer cynicism of Zombieland is kinda amazing. Feels like the writer has a huge chip on their shoulder or something.

I actually wonder what the VAs working on this show think of it, considering the main metaphor...
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 09 2018 14:01 GMT
#126719
man, slime isekai is carrying so hard. What a good show.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
October 09 2018 14:08 GMT
#126720
Alicization - best sao arc. Goes full shounen It's also 50 episodes covering at least 10 LNs so it'll be really fun. First episode is just introducing underworld and the events that lead to Kirito becoming a vegetable.

Bunny girl - 24 minutes of nothing happening except dialogue is my jam. Don't care if it's smart or not since there's always someone out there who says "muh intro to philosophy 101" on any anime show.

Irozuku sekai - I hope this doesn't end up as terrible as glasslip and this is PA works so the quality of their SOL are across the board pretty much. So far, it's ok and hard to judge because all they did so far was do what's in the synopsis.

Zombieland - uh 👌

Slime - just narou things, I like the tsundere dragon. Dislike how they changed the voice of the MC to a girl's

Yagate Kimi ni naru - my fav Yuri right now but uta just rec'ed me another one so maybe that'll change. It's odd how sometimes the characters are too detailed for the background or vice-versa

Just have to go watch Index S3 and I'll have seen ep1 of all the shows I might watch except for the eromanga-but-worse show with incest. Where are the subs for that zzz


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