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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 15:27:14
April 28 2013 15:27 GMT
#56221
On April 29 2013 00:17 Hey Sean. wrote:
I'm not doing anything, I'm just being a sexist asshole, why are you offended?


OK there mate.
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 15:35:05
April 28 2013 15:33 GMT
#56222
On April 29 2013 00:27 Kaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:17 Hey Sean. wrote:
I'm not doing anything, I'm just being a sexist asshole, why are you offended?


OK there mate.

In what way is it sexist? Fujoshi do like boyxboy, that's the whole meaning to it. Is it sexist to say gay men like gay sex?

It's literally a preference. I think you're misunderstanding what sexism is.

Edit: Also, did you edit in the "mate" part? You should really just post what you want to say and stop stirring up trouble. If you have a problem with me send it in a PM and I'll reply at some point, stop making bad posts. You're making the thread look bad.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
April 28 2013 15:40 GMT
#56223
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
essencez
Profile Joined February 2012
342 Posts
April 28 2013 15:40 GMT
#56224
lol. Double standards exists everywhere, don't see why people complaining about it here.

And well regarding subjectivity? I am sure my tastes are the very definition of immaculate integrity, free of any bias whatsoever. My credentials of supporting such claims are as follows; basement dweller of over twenty-years, needless to say I am almost a wizard. I have reviewed over ten-years worth of Japanese animation and have written theses about the progression of the medium throughout the past few decades. Due to old money, I current hold a fifty-one percent stake in everything with any relation to Japanese animation including; TV networks, animation companies, figurine factories, crunchyroll and the upcoming streaming platform as well. AOTY is and will always be the same every year, Pokemon for which generates billions of dollars every year.

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm


essence.gg - "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
April 28 2013 15:43 GMT
#56225
On April 29 2013 00:33 Hey Sean. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:27 Kaal wrote:
On April 29 2013 00:17 Hey Sean. wrote:
I'm not doing anything, I'm just being a sexist asshole, why are you offended?


OK there mate.

In what way is it sexist? Fujoshi do like boyxboy, that's the whole meaning to it. Is it sexist to say gay men like gay sex?

It's literally a preference. I think you're misunderstanding what sexism is.

Edit: Also, did you edit in the "mate" part? You should really just post what you want to say and stop stirring up trouble. If you have a problem with me send it in a PM and I'll reply at some point, stop making bad posts. You're making the thread look bad.


The sexist part is where you insinuate that women can't like anything but gay sex (lol.) and that they're killing all the quality anime in the industry when a fujoshi pandering show get's made. But then you nominate GuP, a show COMPLETELY about fanservice and moeblob and pandering to the otaku demographic as AOTY. Apprently you think Madoka and Bakemonogatari aren't fanservice and otaku pandering either. Do you not see the problem here? Fujoshi is a blanket term for female otaku.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 15:54:06
April 28 2013 15:49 GMT
#56226
On April 28 2013 23:59 Hey Sean. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 23:40 Kipsate wrote:
What the hell happened to this thread

Also how can you judge AOTY by fanbase, doesn't SAO have a pretty big fanbase(and haters too), doesn't mean we call that AOTY 2012. Isn't AOTY different for a lot of people and open to their own interpretation?

I'm not judging it solely on fanbase, but it is a good indicator.

I don't think you have to put it down to your own opinion either. Much like any award in real life, someone is going to win and that person winning might not be your first choice, but you can still respect the decision because you can see that the anime is well made or whatever.

That said, if you can gather up a decent amount of people who hate the thing with positives at all, then it shouldn't be AOTY. But in general I figure AOTY is decided by who shouts the loudest and for what. Sure you can have your own opinion on what wins but it's likely your opinion is much lower valued than that of many more people, and I mean that with no disrespect.

If I was to expand on why I think that would be AOTY, it's mostly because it was something fairly different (there's going to be some similarities) that worked well. I don't think it's the best looking anime, and many other things, but it was fairly refreshing compared to most other things.

I\m not bashing anyone's opinion, but if it was to be voted for by some sort of judging panel I would come up pretty high.


Hmmm.....I mean if that's the case for how to determine an AOTY, then Sword Art Online should have been AOTY in 2012, and Shingeki no Kyojin in 2013 since they're the highest rated thus far in their respective years (at least on MAL, but I'm going to assume it's not going to be too far off in other places) which I guess is the numbers of way of showing how many people are "shouting" for what.

On April 28 2013 23:57 Maxie wrote:
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On April 28 2013 23:53 biology]major wrote:
On April 28 2013 23:51 Kaal wrote:
On April 28 2013 23:41 Maxie wrote:
I thought AOTY was 100% subjective.



It is.


eh its around 77.6% subjective


I love made up statistics so much.


Did you know that 64% of all statistics are made up?

Also:

The difference between something like K-On, which someone used as an example on the other page, and this, is that compared to K-On this is shaping up to be some strange soft-core porn. K-On isn't really sexualized at all, I'm sure there are parts in it that could be, but for the most it isn't.


Pretty sure when I was searching around konachan for K-ON wallpapers back when I stilled used them I had to turn off the explicit feature because there were that many explicit pictures that I couldn't find anything that I wanted.

Pretty sure you can find plenty of doujins for it too, if that's the case .
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 15:53:09
April 28 2013 15:50 GMT
#56227
On April 29 2013 00:40 essencez wrote:
lol. Double standards exists everywhere, don't see why people complaining about it here.

And well regarding subjectivity? I am sure my tastes are the very definition of immaculate integrity, free of any bias whatsoever. My credentials of supporting such claims are as follows; basement dweller of over twenty-years, needless to say I am almost a wizard. I have reviewed over ten-years worth of Japanese animation and have written theses about the progression of the medium throughout the past few decades. Due to old money, I current hold a fifty-one percent stake in everything with any relation to Japanese animation including; TV networks, animation companies, figurine factories, crunchyroll and the upcoming streaming platform as well. AOTY is and will always be the same every year, Pokemon for which generates billions of dollars every year.

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm



Marry me?

I think people just misunderstood me earlier about AOTY. Of course you can have your opinion, but it's when you collect a lot of peoples opinions that it starts to actually matter. If it wasn't possible to decide what was "the best" that year then we wouldn't have any awards at all for anything.

@Kaal
婦女子
腐女子
Learn the difference. I won't reply anymore to your posts about this, but you're free to PM me. Fujoshi is not a blanket word for "female otaku"

Edit: I can see a case for SnK being AOTY, or at least AOTS, even though I don't actually like it myself. Some of the characters are drawn really well and the animation is good. Plus the OP is easily the best so far this year. I might pick it up at some point, but it's too grim for my tastes really. Or the first episode was anyway.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
April 28 2013 15:54 GMT
#56228
On April 29 2013 00:50 Hey Sean. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:40 essencez wrote:
lol. Double standards exists everywhere, don't see why people complaining about it here.

And well regarding subjectivity? I am sure my tastes are the very definition of immaculate integrity, free of any bias whatsoever. My credentials of supporting such claims are as follows; basement dweller of over twenty-years, needless to say I am almost a wizard. I have reviewed over ten-years worth of Japanese animation and have written theses about the progression of the medium throughout the past few decades. Due to old money, I current hold a fifty-one percent stake in everything with any relation to Japanese animation including; TV networks, animation companies, figurine factories, crunchyroll and the upcoming streaming platform as well. AOTY is and will always be the same every year, Pokemon for which generates billions of dollars every year.

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm



Marry me?

I think people just misunderstood me earlier about AOTY. Of course you can have your opinion, but it's when you collect a lot of peoples opinions that it starts to actually matter. If it wasn't possible to decide what was "the best" that year then we wouldn't have any awards at all for anything.

@Kaal
婦女子
腐女子
Learn the difference. I won't reply anymore to your posts about this, but you're free to PM me. Fujoshi is not a blanket word for "female otaku"

Edit: I can see a case for SnK being AOTY, or at least AOTS, even though I don't actually like it myself. Some of the characters are drawn really well and the animation is good. Plus the OP is easily the best so far this year. I might pick it up at some point, but it's too grim for my tastes really. Or the first episode was anyway.


婦女子 is actually never used in Japanese...
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 15:58:31
April 28 2013 15:57 GMT
#56229

@Kaal
婦女子
腐女子
Learn the difference. I won't reply anymore to your posts about this, but you're free to PM me. Fujoshi is not a blanket word for "female otaku"


AJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHAAJHAJAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh god my fucking sides.

wow. Woooooooooooooow. I am going to screenshot this for posterity for people who think they know what they're talking about because they read a wikipedia page.

And yeah man people DEFINITELY don't use Fujoshi as a catchall that's far from it's original meaning, because everything has to be by the dictionary.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
April 28 2013 15:58 GMT
#56230
On April 29 2013 00:49 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 23:59 Hey Sean. wrote:
On April 28 2013 23:40 Kipsate wrote:
What the hell happened to this thread

Also how can you judge AOTY by fanbase, doesn't SAO have a pretty big fanbase(and haters too), doesn't mean we call that AOTY 2012. Isn't AOTY different for a lot of people and open to their own interpretation?

I'm not judging it solely on fanbase, but it is a good indicator.

I don't think you have to put it down to your own opinion either. Much like any award in real life, someone is going to win and that person winning might not be your first choice, but you can still respect the decision because you can see that the anime is well made or whatever.

That said, if you can gather up a decent amount of people who hate the thing with positives at all, then it shouldn't be AOTY. But in general I figure AOTY is decided by who shouts the loudest and for what. Sure you can have your own opinion on what wins but it's likely your opinion is much lower valued than that of many more people, and I mean that with no disrespect.

If I was to expand on why I think that would be AOTY, it's mostly because it was something fairly different (there's going to be some similarities) that worked well. I don't think it's the best looking anime, and many other things, but it was fairly refreshing compared to most other things.

I\m not bashing anyone's opinion, but if it was to be voted for by some sort of judging panel I would come up pretty high.


Hmmm.....I mean if that's the case for how to determine an AOTY, then Sword Art Online should have been AOTY in 2012, and Shingeki no Kyojin in 2013 since they're the highest rated thus far in their respective years (at least on MAL, but I'm going to assume it's not going to be too far off in other places) which I guess is the numbers of way of showing how many people are "shouting" for what.

BTW why is shingeki no kyojin rated so ridiculously high atm? For what it's done so far it's a little meh. Is the manga that good or something?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
April 28 2013 15:58 GMT
#56231
On April 29 2013 00:54 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:50 Hey Sean. wrote:
On April 29 2013 00:40 essencez wrote:
lol. Double standards exists everywhere, don't see why people complaining about it here.

And well regarding subjectivity? I am sure my tastes are the very definition of immaculate integrity, free of any bias whatsoever. My credentials of supporting such claims are as follows; basement dweller of over twenty-years, needless to say I am almost a wizard. I have reviewed over ten-years worth of Japanese animation and have written theses about the progression of the medium throughout the past few decades. Due to old money, I current hold a fifty-one percent stake in everything with any relation to Japanese animation including; TV networks, animation companies, figurine factories, crunchyroll and the upcoming streaming platform as well. AOTY is and will always be the same every year, Pokemon for which generates billions of dollars every year.

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm



Marry me?

I think people just misunderstood me earlier about AOTY. Of course you can have your opinion, but it's when you collect a lot of peoples opinions that it starts to actually matter. If it wasn't possible to decide what was "the best" that year then we wouldn't have any awards at all for anything.

@Kaal
婦女子
腐女子
Learn the difference. I won't reply anymore to your posts about this, but you're free to PM me. Fujoshi is not a blanket word for "female otaku"

Edit: I can see a case for SnK being AOTY, or at least AOTS, even though I don't actually like it myself. Some of the characters are drawn really well and the animation is good. Plus the OP is easily the best so far this year. I might pick it up at some point, but it's too grim for my tastes really. Or the first episode was anyway.


婦女子 is actually never used in Japanese...

It's still a word though, I mean you don't see it often, but it's still a word. It's like we have plenty of words in English that aren't really used, but they're there.

I only really linked incase he was mixed up about that, not that anyone should be.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 28 2013 16:00 GMT
#56232
On April 29 2013 00:58 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:49 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On April 28 2013 23:59 Hey Sean. wrote:
On April 28 2013 23:40 Kipsate wrote:
What the hell happened to this thread

Also how can you judge AOTY by fanbase, doesn't SAO have a pretty big fanbase(and haters too), doesn't mean we call that AOTY 2012. Isn't AOTY different for a lot of people and open to their own interpretation?

I'm not judging it solely on fanbase, but it is a good indicator.

I don't think you have to put it down to your own opinion either. Much like any award in real life, someone is going to win and that person winning might not be your first choice, but you can still respect the decision because you can see that the anime is well made or whatever.

That said, if you can gather up a decent amount of people who hate the thing with positives at all, then it shouldn't be AOTY. But in general I figure AOTY is decided by who shouts the loudest and for what. Sure you can have your own opinion on what wins but it's likely your opinion is much lower valued than that of many more people, and I mean that with no disrespect.

If I was to expand on why I think that would be AOTY, it's mostly because it was something fairly different (there's going to be some similarities) that worked well. I don't think it's the best looking anime, and many other things, but it was fairly refreshing compared to most other things.

I\m not bashing anyone's opinion, but if it was to be voted for by some sort of judging panel I would come up pretty high.


Hmmm.....I mean if that's the case for how to determine an AOTY, then Sword Art Online should have been AOTY in 2012, and Shingeki no Kyojin in 2013 since they're the highest rated thus far in their respective years (at least on MAL, but I'm going to assume it's not going to be too far off in other places) which I guess is the numbers of way of showing how many people are "shouting" for what.

BTW why is shingeki no kyojin rated so ridiculously high atm? For what it's done so far it's a little meh. Is the manga that good or something?


I think it has a good OP, decent OST from what I've heard right now, lots of action, tears, giants eating things. I mean it just caters to the mainstream anime fan and since it had such an explosive first episode with + Show Spoiler +
MC's mom getting eaten
that just jettisons the score really high.

Keep in mind that while we might not rate things while the show is out, a lot of people do give ratings to shows while the show is still airing, so you have like a bunch of people who are following the show and have the score at 10/10 at the moment.

The majority of anime fans are also more generous with their scores relative to how some people in this thread rate their shows.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
April 28 2013 16:02 GMT
#56233
On April 29 2013 00:58 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:49 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On April 28 2013 23:59 Hey Sean. wrote:
On April 28 2013 23:40 Kipsate wrote:
What the hell happened to this thread

Also how can you judge AOTY by fanbase, doesn't SAO have a pretty big fanbase(and haters too), doesn't mean we call that AOTY 2012. Isn't AOTY different for a lot of people and open to their own interpretation?

I'm not judging it solely on fanbase, but it is a good indicator.

I don't think you have to put it down to your own opinion either. Much like any award in real life, someone is going to win and that person winning might not be your first choice, but you can still respect the decision because you can see that the anime is well made or whatever.

That said, if you can gather up a decent amount of people who hate the thing with positives at all, then it shouldn't be AOTY. But in general I figure AOTY is decided by who shouts the loudest and for what. Sure you can have your own opinion on what wins but it's likely your opinion is much lower valued than that of many more people, and I mean that with no disrespect.

If I was to expand on why I think that would be AOTY, it's mostly because it was something fairly different (there's going to be some similarities) that worked well. I don't think it's the best looking anime, and many other things, but it was fairly refreshing compared to most other things.

I\m not bashing anyone's opinion, but if it was to be voted for by some sort of judging panel I would come up pretty high.


Hmmm.....I mean if that's the case for how to determine an AOTY, then Sword Art Online should have been AOTY in 2012, and Shingeki no Kyojin in 2013 since they're the highest rated thus far in their respective years (at least on MAL, but I'm going to assume it's not going to be too far off in other places) which I guess is the numbers of way of showing how many people are "shouting" for what.

BTW why is shingeki no kyojin rated so ridiculously high atm? For what it's done so far it's a little meh. Is the manga that good or something?


A part of it is that it's pretty well executed, a part is that alot otaku like to rate anything with blood / gore highly to show that they have "grown up taste".
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
April 28 2013 16:03 GMT
#56234
Both the Japanese and English wikis actually do mention that fujoshi as a word sees much broader use now than its original intent. I guess this fella just doesn't read.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 16:04:13
April 28 2013 16:03 GMT
#56235
Hey Sean.

[18:03:09] <mana_> someone who is still reading the thread please point out to him that stuff like https://yande.re/post/show/251501/ is official art and ask him how its any different other than he likes one but not the other so hes ok with it

[18:03:55] <mana_> or this one https://yande.re/post/show/250818/
[18:03:57] <mana_> also official

[18:04:28] <mana_> https://yande.re/post/show/240717/ or this
#freeshauni
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
April 28 2013 16:04 GMT
#56236
That spoiler was the main reason I couldn't watch it, they don't even hold back with the scene.

I heard the pace has changed a bit with the recent episodes, but that's only what I've heard. I guess you can't have something like that every episode since you'd just run out of people to care about.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
April 28 2013 16:04 GMT
#56237


I rate all anime like this.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
April 28 2013 16:05 GMT
#56238
https://yande.re/post/show/250818/ https://yande.re/post/show/251501/ https://yande.re/post/show/246303/ https://yande.re/post/show/240717/ Yo this official GuP art really sets it apart from a fujoshi pandering show like Free! or Gundam Seed, you guys should check it out. Might be NSFW though.
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
April 28 2013 16:09 GMT
#56239
On April 29 2013 01:03 Elem wrote:
Hey Sean.

[18:03:09] <mana_> someone who is still reading the thread please point out to him that stuff like https://yande.re/post/show/251501/ is official art and ask him how its any different other than he likes one but not the other so hes ok with it

[18:03:55] <mana_> or this one https://yande.re/post/show/250818/
[18:03:57] <mana_> also official

[18:04:28] <mana_> https://yande.re/post/show/240717/ or this

Honestly it doesn't really phase me too much. I know it's just one or two things that pretty much every anime has, it's practically unavoidable at this point.

That's not to say if I was whoever leads the art team I would make this stuff, I'd stay away from it if possible. I also don't really find it very sexual, though I have done plenty of life drawing classes which stopped me from enjoying many things.

+ Show Spoiler +
It's also one episode if I remember right. Rather than a whole series dedicated to posing
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
April 28 2013 16:11 GMT
#56240
On April 29 2013 01:09 Hey Sean. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 01:03 Elem wrote:
Hey Sean.

[18:03:09] <mana_> someone who is still reading the thread please point out to him that stuff like https://yande.re/post/show/251501/ is official art and ask him how its any different other than he likes one but not the other so hes ok with it

[18:03:55] <mana_> or this one https://yande.re/post/show/250818/
[18:03:57] <mana_> also official

[18:04:28] <mana_> https://yande.re/post/show/240717/ or this

Honestly it doesn't really phase me too much. I know it's just one or two things that pretty much every anime has, it's practically unavoidable at this point.

That's not to say if I was whoever leads the art team I would make this stuff, I'd stay away from it if possible. I also don't really find it very sexual, though I have done plenty of life drawing classes which stopped me from enjoying many things.

+ Show Spoiler +
It's also one episode if I remember right. Rather than a whole series dedicated to posing


So little boys in swimwear are sexualized for you but little girls in swimwear aren't?
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