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On April 07 2012 23:43 MichaelEU wrote: No need to be so defensive. I merely disagree with you that Nise is shallow or a failure.
Also, Nagisama, those people have no lives and burn out after 2 years.
Haha, funny, that's exactly what happened.
And he will be dearly missed.
(Omni right?)(actually, Omni lasted for quite a while and this is a pretty common story amongst episodic bloggers)(and I only go to Randomc for the screencaps)
Idk how long Omni lasted, but Divine took over for about 2 years, and he just recently burnt out/more stressful job. And it's funny how it takes about 14 writers to cover what he covered by himself. He will be very dearly missed. =(
Yay for Kalafina "To the beginning" OP!! Tentacles owned one jet and Berserker hijacks the other to fight Gilgamesh and his airship. A lot of talking between Tokiomi and Kariya about Sakura/Rin. I would've liked to seen a bit more here. Ryuunosuke sniped by Kiritsugi. Caster on the rampage. ED song is good too. Overall, what a crazy episode to return to!!! Want Episode 15 NOW!!!
The OP was nice, perhaps a bit too slow but still nice. But holy airbattle out of nowhere, gotta love Berserker. :D
Forgot most servants can stay in the world for some time for a second, I was like "WAT DONT TELL ME IT'S JUST OVER" but I was not disappointed at all. Can't wait for episode 15 either!!
The part where Kouzuki tells Shirogane how everyone in Unit A-01 was a candidate for the 00 Unit and Shirogane asks why she sends them on such dangerous missions if that is the case. Kouzuki basically says it's because they were chosen due to their high causality, in other words, their ability to take up causality information and select favorable world branches, and if they had such low causality that they died from these missions, then they wouldn't matter anyways.
So my epiphany: in other words, Kouzuki is depending on in-universe plot armor to select out the important members of Unit A-01?! mind=blown
And not even in-universe plot armor is enough to keep them safe... :<
I'm around where you are in my 2nd run as well lol. Takeru is making the Santa Rabbit, and its just a few days before Sadogashima. The PTSD arc still made me tear up, and CHOMP... I guess seeing the image wasn't as bad this time, but the noise! The chewing noise holy shit I don't remember the noise being that bad.
Now that I think about it, the chewing sounds reminded me of F/SN, specifically HF route, Matou Zouken's worms. Not sure which would be worse... Maybe that's why for me, it wasn't so much the death itself as the reactions and events immediately afterwards that really made an impact on me.
Also curious, who is/who are your favorite characters in ML? Just finished my 2nd playthrough which re-affirmed Ayamine's awesomeness (trollface shenanigans, and especially Original Hive) so I'm still standing by her. In terms of personalities, I also like Akane's bubbliness in both Extra and Alternative.
P.S. Planning to watch Gunbuster next, inspired by your mecha guide
Favorites were Takeru himself (his development from Extra to the end of Alternative is one the best development of a character I've witnessed a VN or anime), Sumika (cuz mai waifu), Captain Isumi, and Lt. Hayase. There were plenty of other characters I liked too, like Ayamine was good, and Lt. Munakata was great too.
Did you ever read Ayamine's Extra route? With Sagiri? lol
The part where Kouzuki tells Shirogane how everyone in Unit A-01 was a candidate for the 00 Unit and Shirogane asks why she sends them on such dangerous missions if that is the case. Kouzuki basically says it's because they were chosen due to their high causality, in other words, their ability to take up causality information and select favorable world branches, and if they had such low causality that they died from these missions, then they wouldn't matter anyways.
So my epiphany: in other words, Kouzuki is depending on in-universe plot armor to select out the important members of Unit A-01?! mind=blown
And not even in-universe plot armor is enough to keep them safe... :<
I'm around where you are in my 2nd run as well lol. Takeru is making the Santa Rabbit, and its just a few days before Sadogashima. The PTSD arc still made me tear up, and CHOMP... I guess seeing the image wasn't as bad this time, but the noise! The chewing noise holy shit I don't remember the noise being that bad.
Now that I think about it, the chewing sounds reminded me of F/SN, specifically HF route, Matou Zouken's worms. Not sure which would be worse... Maybe that's why for me, it wasn't so much the death itself as the reactions and events immediately afterwards that really made an impact on me.
Also curious, who is/who are your favorite characters in ML? Just finished my 2nd playthrough which re-affirmed Ayamine's awesomeness (trollface shenanigans, and especially Original Hive) so I'm still standing by her. In terms of personalities, I also like Akane's bubbliness in both Extra and Alternative.
P.S. Planning to watch Gunbuster next, inspired by your mecha guide
Favorites were Takeru himself (his development from Extra to the end of Alternative is one the best development of a character I've witnessed a VN or anime), Sumika (cuz mai waifu), Captain Isumi, and Lt. Hayase. There were plenty of other characters I liked too, like Ayamine was good, and Lt. Munakata was great too.
Did you ever read Ayamine's Extra route? With Sagiri? lol
Enjoy Gunbuster, btw, its a classic!
Yup, though I guess having just gone through all the extensive drama in Sakaki's route, made it feel a tad bland in comparison. Agreed on Takeru and the Valkyrie leaders. For some reason, I liked Sumika more during my first read, but oh well.
On April 06 2012 15:01 Itsmedudeman wrote: Why are all the anime this season so bad?
Because rose colored glasses
Someone explain this plz?
Also called "nostalgia glasses." It's like when people go "Pokemon gen I is best all other Pokemon suck." It's baseless and they usually have no other reason for believing that other than childhood nostalgia.
Uhh, maybe, but I'd like to consider myself pretty open when I consider "good animes". Is it too much to ask for an anime without a generic storyline, generic characters, plot holes, and pretty much being a rehash of popular animes of the past just to sell tshirts and other accessories?
I like how you think you are super open and fair about anime, yet the season as barely even started and you are already saying this shit. I also like how apparently you think this season is bad, yet its like this nearly every single season, yet THIS is the anime season thats bad.
Every season always has 2-5 that are interesting for me, yet 0 this season? If you have a suggestion, please suggest, but if it involves no story, huge plot holes, and sells its soul for fan service midway through the very first episode, then don't bother.
It's seemingly getting worse every season. Yeah, I do have a preference, and if watching the same romantic comedy involving some average uninteresting male with some mysterious girl who just happened to fall into his lap and the story revolving around it is nonexistent and their relationship has nothing behind it besides average guy gets stunningly hot girl and it's basically the anime version of twilight catered to males, then yeah, I guess I'm considered picky and closed minded. Whatever happened to shows like Toradora? The new season of nisemogatari in comparison to its prequel was so shallow and disappointing I don't even want to think about it.
I got no clue what sort of shows interest you, but its laughable with what you are saying about this season. Barely anything has even aired yet, and only a few shows have even put out their first episode. How the fuck would I be able to tell if a show has "no story and huge plot holes" based off episode 1, anyway? Your post is just a typical "Oh man anime used to be so much better, why does everything suck now days!" Complaints like that get repeated each and every season, so I guess its not surprising having it happen with this season as well.
Speaking of fanservice, how the hell did you even get through Bakemonogatari, much less Nise, if fanservice bothers you that much, lol?
LOL? You can tell from the first god damn episode of most shows that nothing is gonna be 100% full of nothing. Fan service doesn't bother me, but if it's the ONLY thing the show is meant for so it can attract cheap views, THEN it bothers me. I didn't watch bakemono just for the romance, I was pointing out how nise pretty much devolved into a show about incestual urges while there was no story and the relationship growth was basically "I'd probably screw you if you weren't my sister but you are" for both arcs.
And yeah, last season didn't have that many good ones either, so that refutes my point somehow that this season's aren't good either? Saying that last season's was bad, and that this season's was worse doesn't really change the point here at all. Or are you just trying to convince me that every season is shit and that every anime is as bad as the next?
Uhhh, isn't that obvious? Haven't I said that like 3 posts in a row? lol
On April 07 2012 21:07 Itsmedudeman wrote: Please, I'm not the ONLY one upset over nisemono's failure, considering most who have seen it have also seen bakemono and loved the first but hated the second. But yeah, I guess if you don't really mind hints of incest for 10 out of 11 episodes then I could maybe see why you think that the fan service is the same. Oh, and let's not forget the part where he's literally taking a bath with someone who looks like they're 10 years old. Which part in the first series had this amount of fan service? They aren't nearly the same level.
Also, if you can show me shows from this season similar to durarara, baccano, usagi drop, toradora then I'll gladly never post in this thread again.
I never said bakemono didn't have fan service, but comparing it to the amount of high school of the dead and nisemono? Like, you have to try really hard to convince yourself of that, or in your mind, ANY amount of fan service is the same. Most every site will have nisemono tagged as ecchi while bakemono wasn't.
I don't think we said that nise didn't have fan service, but comparing it to the amount of high school of the dead? Like, you have to try really hard to convince yourself of that, or in your mind.
And yes, most Anime seasons are pretty garbage, and you need to relax. Most of the shows that people are looking forward to this season haven't even aired.
On April 07 2012 23:43 MichaelEU wrote: No need to be so defensive. I merely disagree with you that Nise is shallow or a failure.
Also, Nagisama, those people have no lives and burn out after 2 years.
Haha, funny, that's exactly what happened.
And he will be dearly missed.
(Omni right?)(actually, Omni lasted for quite a while and this is a pretty common story amongst episodic bloggers)(and I only go to Randomc for the screencaps)
Idk how long Omni lasted, but Divine took over for about 2 years, and he just recently burnt out/more stressful job. And it's funny how it takes about 14 writers to cover what he covered by himself. He will be very dearly missed. =(
rip divine, that beautiful robot. The other writers just dont have his style or humor. He will be missed D:
On April 06 2012 15:02 Sentenal wrote: [quote] Because rose colored glasses
Someone explain this plz?
Also called "nostalgia glasses." It's like when people go "Pokemon gen I is best all other Pokemon suck." It's baseless and they usually have no other reason for believing that other than childhood nostalgia.
Uhh, maybe, but I'd like to consider myself pretty open when I consider "good animes". Is it too much to ask for an anime without a generic storyline, generic characters, plot holes, and pretty much being a rehash of popular animes of the past just to sell tshirts and other accessories?
I like how you think you are super open and fair about anime, yet the season as barely even started and you are already saying this shit. I also like how apparently you think this season is bad, yet its like this nearly every single season, yet THIS is the anime season thats bad.
Every season always has 2-5 that are interesting for me, yet 0 this season? If you have a suggestion, please suggest, but if it involves no story, huge plot holes, and sells its soul for fan service midway through the very first episode, then don't bother.
It's seemingly getting worse every season. Yeah, I do have a preference, and if watching the same romantic comedy involving some average uninteresting male with some mysterious girl who just happened to fall into his lap and the story revolving around it is nonexistent and their relationship has nothing behind it besides average guy gets stunningly hot girl and it's basically the anime version of twilight catered to males, then yeah, I guess I'm considered picky and closed minded. Whatever happened to shows like Toradora? The new season of nisemogatari in comparison to its prequel was so shallow and disappointing I don't even want to think about it.
I got no clue what sort of shows interest you, but its laughable with what you are saying about this season. Barely anything has even aired yet, and only a few shows have even put out their first episode. How the fuck would I be able to tell if a show has "no story and huge plot holes" based off episode 1, anyway? Your post is just a typical "Oh man anime used to be so much better, why does everything suck now days!" Complaints like that get repeated each and every season, so I guess its not surprising having it happen with this season as well.
Speaking of fanservice, how the hell did you even get through Bakemonogatari, much less Nise, if fanservice bothers you that much, lol?
LOL? You can tell from the first god damn episode of most shows that nothing is gonna be 100% full of nothing. Fan service doesn't bother me, but if it's the ONLY thing the show is meant for so it can attract cheap views, THEN it bothers me. I didn't watch bakemono just for the romance, I was pointing out how nise pretty much devolved into a show about incestual urges while there was no story and the relationship growth was basically "I'd probably screw you if you weren't my sister but you are" for both arcs.
And yeah, last season didn't have that many good ones either, so that refutes my point somehow that this season's aren't good either? Saying that last season's was bad, and that this season's was worse doesn't really change the point here at all. Or are you just trying to convince me that every season is shit and that every anime is as bad as the next?
Uhhh, isn't that obvious? Haven't I said that like 3 posts in a row? lol
On April 07 2012 21:07 Itsmedudeman wrote: Please, I'm not the ONLY one upset over nisemono's failure, considering most who have seen it have also seen bakemono and loved the first but hated the second. But yeah, I guess if you don't really mind hints of incest for 10 out of 11 episodes then I could maybe see why you think that the fan service is the same. Oh, and let's not forget the part where he's literally taking a bath with someone who looks like they're 10 years old. Which part in the first series had this amount of fan service? They aren't nearly the same level.
Also, if you can show me shows from this season similar to durarara, baccano, usagi drop, toradora then I'll gladly never post in this thread again.
I never said bakemono didn't have fan service, but comparing it to the amount of high school of the dead and nisemono? Like, you have to try really hard to convince yourself of that, or in your mind, ANY amount of fan service is the same. Most every site will have nisemono tagged as ecchi while bakemono wasn't.
On March 19 2012 03:01 Ecael wrote: Book wise Nise was definitely better, stronger theme from following only one character, stronger banter by just throwing a ton of them at you for little reason other than preparation for main theme and fan service. Anime wise I'd have to say Bake was stronger, but that's only because they decided to fuck a bit with vol 2 and weaken the message by cutting Araragi and Kaiki lines among others. The execution of Nise was good, but they weren't quite able to use the pacing from the books properly and made it felt somewhat dragged out. Just letting it play out as the books had is a poor idea for an anime considering how the monogatari books lately are basically first 1/2 = banter, second 1/2 = stuff goes down, structure wise.
While the banters do their part in setting up for the main theme, it is somewhat harder to appreciate because Nishio Ishin throws it all at you mixed with a ton of fanservice. Like, take Karen Bee's banters, everything that wasn't Nadeko was contributing to the main theme. Just that with all the fanservice, they were both harder to place a finger and just took a shitton longer. Well, one has to do what one needs to sell the DVDs with, but I had hoped they'd be more imaginative when it comes to handling the pacing in changing medium. Not all the trolling in the books will work for anime, after all.
Incidentally Tsukihi banter queen of Nise, followed closely by Hachikuji. Those two plus Shinobu probably the ones that shined the most in Nise anime. Which is unfortunately considering how in the books both Araragi and Kaiki would've made the list as well.
I might find my post about nise needing kizu later, but honestly pretty lazy so just going to sum it up as how half of the shit the characters in nise talked about only has some meaning thanks to kizu. Bake's theme on the matter was way too diluted, particularly by Kanbaru and Nadeko arc.
[17:40] <Shauniugu> why are there 2 sluts now as lol announcers? do they think they get more viewers [17:40] <Shauniugu> that way? [17:40] <Shauniugu> ugh... [17:40] <poasjdbsoadpo> whoos [17:40] <poasjdbsoadpo> the other girl [17:41] <Shauniugu> disgusting dresses too [17:41] <poasjdbsoadpo> shauni, dont you just want to murder them? [17:41] <Shauniugu> poasjdbsoadpo no [17:41] <Shauniugu> at least not when popo is here*
*popo is znf's girlfriend and the only known girl on the channel
I'm always confused when people love Bake but don't care about the banter so when they watch Nise, they're like "ew fan service and incest undertones so bad." Not like banter can make a show good or anything!
On April 08 2012 06:47 KazeHydra wrote: I'm always confused when people love Bake but don't care about the banter so when they watch Nise, they're like "ew fan service and incest undertones so bad." Not like banter can make a show good or anything!
People watched Bake, expected to get xxxHolic and Petshop of Horrors for some misguided but understandable reasons. Watch Nise, don't understand how banters worked in Bake, bitch about fanservice.
I mean honestly Shaft stepped up too much on fanservice to sell more and cutted way too many lines by guys...again to sell more, so the anime quality of Nise is lower than Bake. But that's a rather different story from just bitching about fanservice. Oh, and like mentioned above, pacing was bad and could've been worked in much better than that. If Shaft continues just taking it from the book line for line like that for the rest of the monogatari series, I of one would be very much so disappointed until we hit narrator changes.
On April 08 2012 06:47 KazeHydra wrote: I'm always confused when people love Bake but don't care about the banter so when they watch Nise, they're like "ew fan service and incest undertones so bad." Not like banter can make a show good or anything!
No you see you dont understand,
Bake was all about his struggle after becoming a pseudo human, save the girl and find out who his one true love was from all the various heroines. Struggling to keep his feelings for Senjougahara after saving so many others and eventually realising under the starlit sky what his destiny was. Only to find his well endowed mentor was also struggling with feelings for him. Baddum triangle. Ofcourse the various other distractions including lesbian fetishs and lol i's aplenty only serve to further test his resolve.
On a serious note, strictly anime wise and for reasons already discussed Bake was better than Nise imo.
Personally I think the anime clicked best with Hachikuji and Shinobu banter. primarily because it was so accessible, Shinobu in particular having read Kizu.
Also called "nostalgia glasses." It's like when people go "Pokemon gen I is best all other Pokemon suck." It's baseless and they usually have no other reason for believing that other than childhood nostalgia.
Uhh, maybe, but I'd like to consider myself pretty open when I consider "good animes". Is it too much to ask for an anime without a generic storyline, generic characters, plot holes, and pretty much being a rehash of popular animes of the past just to sell tshirts and other accessories?
I like how you think you are super open and fair about anime, yet the season as barely even started and you are already saying this shit. I also like how apparently you think this season is bad, yet its like this nearly every single season, yet THIS is the anime season thats bad.
Every season always has 2-5 that are interesting for me, yet 0 this season? If you have a suggestion, please suggest, but if it involves no story, huge plot holes, and sells its soul for fan service midway through the very first episode, then don't bother.
It's seemingly getting worse every season. Yeah, I do have a preference, and if watching the same romantic comedy involving some average uninteresting male with some mysterious girl who just happened to fall into his lap and the story revolving around it is nonexistent and their relationship has nothing behind it besides average guy gets stunningly hot girl and it's basically the anime version of twilight catered to males, then yeah, I guess I'm considered picky and closed minded. Whatever happened to shows like Toradora? The new season of nisemogatari in comparison to its prequel was so shallow and disappointing I don't even want to think about it.
I got no clue what sort of shows interest you, but its laughable with what you are saying about this season. Barely anything has even aired yet, and only a few shows have even put out their first episode. How the fuck would I be able to tell if a show has "no story and huge plot holes" based off episode 1, anyway? Your post is just a typical "Oh man anime used to be so much better, why does everything suck now days!" Complaints like that get repeated each and every season, so I guess its not surprising having it happen with this season as well.
Speaking of fanservice, how the hell did you even get through Bakemonogatari, much less Nise, if fanservice bothers you that much, lol?
LOL? You can tell from the first god damn episode of most shows that nothing is gonna be 100% full of nothing. Fan service doesn't bother me, but if it's the ONLY thing the show is meant for so it can attract cheap views, THEN it bothers me. I didn't watch bakemono just for the romance, I was pointing out how nise pretty much devolved into a show about incestual urges while there was no story and the relationship growth was basically "I'd probably screw you if you weren't my sister but you are" for both arcs.
And yeah, last season didn't have that many good ones either, so that refutes my point somehow that this season's aren't good either? Saying that last season's was bad, and that this season's was worse doesn't really change the point here at all. Or are you just trying to convince me that every season is shit and that every anime is as bad as the next?
Uhhh, isn't that obvious? Haven't I said that like 3 posts in a row? lol
On April 07 2012 21:07 Itsmedudeman wrote: Please, I'm not the ONLY one upset over nisemono's failure, considering most who have seen it have also seen bakemono and loved the first but hated the second. But yeah, I guess if you don't really mind hints of incest for 10 out of 11 episodes then I could maybe see why you think that the fan service is the same. Oh, and let's not forget the part where he's literally taking a bath with someone who looks like they're 10 years old. Which part in the first series had this amount of fan service? They aren't nearly the same level.
Also, if you can show me shows from this season similar to durarara, baccano, usagi drop, toradora then I'll gladly never post in this thread again.
I never said bakemono didn't have fan service, but comparing it to the amount of high school of the dead and nisemono? Like, you have to try really hard to convince yourself of that, or in your mind, ANY amount of fan service is the same. Most every site will have nisemono tagged as ecchi while bakemono wasn't.
On March 19 2012 03:01 Ecael wrote: Book wise Nise was definitely better, stronger theme from following only one character, stronger banter by just throwing a ton of them at you for little reason other than preparation for main theme and fan service. Anime wise I'd have to say Bake was stronger, but that's only because they decided to fuck a bit with vol 2 and weaken the message by cutting Araragi and Kaiki lines among others. The execution of Nise was good, but they weren't quite able to use the pacing from the books properly and made it felt somewhat dragged out. Just letting it play out as the books had is a poor idea for an anime considering how the monogatari books lately are basically first 1/2 = banter, second 1/2 = stuff goes down, structure wise.
While the banters do their part in setting up for the main theme, it is somewhat harder to appreciate because Nishio Ishin throws it all at you mixed with a ton of fanservice. Like, take Karen Bee's banters, everything that wasn't Nadeko was contributing to the main theme. Just that with all the fanservice, they were both harder to place a finger and just took a shitton longer. Well, one has to do what one needs to sell the DVDs with, but I had hoped they'd be more imaginative when it comes to handling the pacing in changing medium. Not all the trolling in the books will work for anime, after all.
Incidentally Tsukihi banter queen of Nise, followed closely by Hachikuji. Those two plus Shinobu probably the ones that shined the most in Nise anime. Which is unfortunately considering how in the books both Araragi and Kaiki would've made the list as well.
I might find my post about nise needing kizu later, but honestly pretty lazy so just going to sum it up as how half of the shit the characters in nise talked about only has some meaning thanks to kizu. Bake's theme on the matter was way too diluted, particularly by Kanbaru and Nadeko arc.
Although I never read it, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. These arcs were 5-6 episodes long, but they paced it so that 4-5 episodes really had nothing to do with anything and were just dragged out so they could make it 11 episodes long filled with fan service. If they had condensed it to say 3 or 4 episodes per arc, I could see it being a lot better, minus the incest.
On April 08 2012 06:47 KazeHydra wrote: I'm always confused when people love Bake but don't care about the banter so when they watch Nise, they're like "ew fan service and incest undertones so bad." Not like banter can make a show good or anything!
No you see you dont understand,
Bake was all about his struggle after becoming a pseudo human, save the girl and find out who his one true love was from all the various heroines. Struggling to keep his feelings for Senjougahara after saving so many others and eventually realising under the starlit sky what his destiny was. Only to find his well endowed mentor was also struggling with feelings for him.
Lol'd.
Though really for me I think the banter in Nise was kinda "meh"? There was more in Nise obv' but it just didn't tick properly for me. And there is that I really can't stand Kanbaru so to me the extra fanservice added on top of these two makes me understand why some people think its "fan-service shit show bla bla" etc.
Edit: Def agree on that the pacing too, the slow pacing defintively contributes to the above.
But at the same time I think a majority of the "haters" just fail to put it out in a clear way and actually argue for their stance on it all. But not that it matters when people mainly pay attention to the tools cos they bring in sensationalist-style walls of text, which we could see earlier.
On April 08 2012 06:43 Ecael wrote: Too lazy to rewrite properly so just gonna throw past posts at you.
On April 08 2012 06:10 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 08 2012 01:58 Sentenal wrote:
On April 07 2012 20:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 07 2012 18:03 Sentenal wrote:
On April 07 2012 17:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 07 2012 13:01 Sentenal wrote:
On April 07 2012 12:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 06 2012 19:53 Ferrose wrote: [quote]
Also called "nostalgia glasses." It's like when people go "Pokemon gen I is best all other Pokemon suck." It's baseless and they usually have no other reason for believing that other than childhood nostalgia.
Uhh, maybe, but I'd like to consider myself pretty open when I consider "good animes". Is it too much to ask for an anime without a generic storyline, generic characters, plot holes, and pretty much being a rehash of popular animes of the past just to sell tshirts and other accessories?
I like how you think you are super open and fair about anime, yet the season as barely even started and you are already saying this shit. I also like how apparently you think this season is bad, yet its like this nearly every single season, yet THIS is the anime season thats bad.
Every season always has 2-5 that are interesting for me, yet 0 this season? If you have a suggestion, please suggest, but if it involves no story, huge plot holes, and sells its soul for fan service midway through the very first episode, then don't bother.
It's seemingly getting worse every season. Yeah, I do have a preference, and if watching the same romantic comedy involving some average uninteresting male with some mysterious girl who just happened to fall into his lap and the story revolving around it is nonexistent and their relationship has nothing behind it besides average guy gets stunningly hot girl and it's basically the anime version of twilight catered to males, then yeah, I guess I'm considered picky and closed minded. Whatever happened to shows like Toradora? The new season of nisemogatari in comparison to its prequel was so shallow and disappointing I don't even want to think about it.
I got no clue what sort of shows interest you, but its laughable with what you are saying about this season. Barely anything has even aired yet, and only a few shows have even put out their first episode. How the fuck would I be able to tell if a show has "no story and huge plot holes" based off episode 1, anyway? Your post is just a typical "Oh man anime used to be so much better, why does everything suck now days!" Complaints like that get repeated each and every season, so I guess its not surprising having it happen with this season as well.
Speaking of fanservice, how the hell did you even get through Bakemonogatari, much less Nise, if fanservice bothers you that much, lol?
LOL? You can tell from the first god damn episode of most shows that nothing is gonna be 100% full of nothing. Fan service doesn't bother me, but if it's the ONLY thing the show is meant for so it can attract cheap views, THEN it bothers me. I didn't watch bakemono just for the romance, I was pointing out how nise pretty much devolved into a show about incestual urges while there was no story and the relationship growth was basically "I'd probably screw you if you weren't my sister but you are" for both arcs.
And yeah, last season didn't have that many good ones either, so that refutes my point somehow that this season's aren't good either? Saying that last season's was bad, and that this season's was worse doesn't really change the point here at all. Or are you just trying to convince me that every season is shit and that every anime is as bad as the next?
Uhhh, isn't that obvious? Haven't I said that like 3 posts in a row? lol
On April 07 2012 21:07 Itsmedudeman wrote: Please, I'm not the ONLY one upset over nisemono's failure, considering most who have seen it have also seen bakemono and loved the first but hated the second. But yeah, I guess if you don't really mind hints of incest for 10 out of 11 episodes then I could maybe see why you think that the fan service is the same. Oh, and let's not forget the part where he's literally taking a bath with someone who looks like they're 10 years old. Which part in the first series had this amount of fan service? They aren't nearly the same level.
Also, if you can show me shows from this season similar to durarara, baccano, usagi drop, toradora then I'll gladly never post in this thread again.
I never said bakemono didn't have fan service, but comparing it to the amount of high school of the dead and nisemono? Like, you have to try really hard to convince yourself of that, or in your mind, ANY amount of fan service is the same. Most every site will have nisemono tagged as ecchi while bakemono wasn't.
On March 19 2012 03:01 Ecael wrote: Book wise Nise was definitely better, stronger theme from following only one character, stronger banter by just throwing a ton of them at you for little reason other than preparation for main theme and fan service. Anime wise I'd have to say Bake was stronger, but that's only because they decided to fuck a bit with vol 2 and weaken the message by cutting Araragi and Kaiki lines among others. The execution of Nise was good, but they weren't quite able to use the pacing from the books properly and made it felt somewhat dragged out. Just letting it play out as the books had is a poor idea for an anime considering how the monogatari books lately are basically first 1/2 = banter, second 1/2 = stuff goes down, structure wise.
While the banters do their part in setting up for the main theme, it is somewhat harder to appreciate because Nishio Ishin throws it all at you mixed with a ton of fanservice. Like, take Karen Bee's banters, everything that wasn't Nadeko was contributing to the main theme. Just that with all the fanservice, they were both harder to place a finger and just took a shitton longer. Well, one has to do what one needs to sell the DVDs with, but I had hoped they'd be more imaginative when it comes to handling the pacing in changing medium. Not all the trolling in the books will work for anime, after all.
Incidentally Tsukihi banter queen of Nise, followed closely by Hachikuji. Those two plus Shinobu probably the ones that shined the most in Nise anime. Which is unfortunately considering how in the books both Araragi and Kaiki would've made the list as well.
I might find my post about nise needing kizu later, but honestly pretty lazy so just going to sum it up as how half of the shit the characters in nise talked about only has some meaning thanks to kizu. Bake's theme on the matter was way too diluted, particularly by Kanbaru and Nadeko arc.
Although I never read it, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. These arcs were 5-6 episodes long, but they paced it so that 4-5 episodes really had nothing to do with anything and were just dragged out so they could make it 11 episodes long filled with fan service. If they had condensed it to say 3 or 4 episodes per arc, I could see it being a lot better, minus the incest.
The issue isn't the length, and the arcs were fine at that length. If anything, I would've wanted them to bring it to a full 12~13 episodes. The problem largely falls in execution, calling it dragged out to be filled with fanservice is pretty much the indication that you are too busy hating on visual of boobs and toothbrushing rather than reading and listening. There are only 2 scenes done for the sake of fanservice and that alone, Nadeko and toothbrush. Everything else had their reasons and place for plot and theme. Of these, some 1/3rd of them had actual fanservice attached to them in text, if we could consider some of it as such. It is with the rest of the 2/3rd that we have problems with in anime. Ther former is done like the first Hachikuji talk about courage, they threw in the fanservice where books had it, then threw random background into the rest. The latter though they just decided, well, fuck it, need service or else people will never bother listening to two characters just talking it out. And now we have the majority of the Gahara-san and Tsukihi scenes
For better or for worse, Shaft stayed quite faithful to the source material. Bake lucked out in that there were just a lot more shit to fit in with 5 arcs so things were done pretty much entirely with fanservice kept to a certain level so they can fit the important talking in. Nise's structure though, like mentioned earlier, doesn't give you that luxury. It is indeed possible to just say, fuck Nadeko and toothbrush, but I felt like that'd be quite the copout even if we ignore how it'd reflect on the sales. This is where Shaft made its mistake. For whatever reason, they made the show 11 episodes when length wise they were almost the same as Bake, then, to fit it all into 11 episodes, they went and cut lines from Kaiki and Araragi more than they did others. I mean, I know guys don't sell, but seriously MC and main antagonist across 2 vols getting lines cut for no better reason than stuffing Gahara-san in funny poses? Fuck off. Spend the money and put both in if you really want to sell dvds with fanservice.
What Shaft should've realized is that people were complaining about even the books in terms of structure for going 50% banter+service, 50% plot. First half service, second half plot. Even with a medium where talking and service flows faster, people weren't really happy with it. But they went with just that in the anime. What really should've been done was to break the actual plot portion into earlier episodes of anime. While it would've been slightly harder to follow, it was exactly what the later books did in order to break the monotony. The series already suffers a fair bit from how the plot can be seen as trivial, there is no reason to downplay it more than it needed to be.
But yeah, Shaft was too safe with how it approached Nise, they took a fair bit of liberties with Bake in order to make it all fit and it paid off. They kinda forgot how the original premise of the monogatari series is that it is meant to be a difficult work to animate, working with visual puns and conversations with very little plot movement, and they paid for it with Nise. I can only hope they don't deal with the rest of the series in a similar fashion. The better ones would still be fine even then, but the ones that weren't as impressive would not go well at all.
On April 08 2012 06:47 KazeHydra wrote: I'm always confused when people love Bake but don't care about the banter so when they watch Nise, they're like "ew fan service and incest undertones so bad." Not like banter can make a show good or anything!
No you see you dont understand,
Bake was all about his struggle after becoming a pseudo human, save the girl and find out who his one true love was from all the various heroines. Struggling to keep his feelings for Senjougahara after saving so many others and eventually realising under the starlit sky what his destiny was. Only to find his well endowed mentor was also struggling with feelings for him.
Lol'd.
Though really for me I think the banter in Nise was kinda "meh"? There was more in Nise obv' but it just didn't tick properly for me. And there is that I really can't stand Kanbaru so to me the extra fanservice added on top of these two makes me understand why some people think its "fan-service shit show bla bla" etc.
Edit: Def agree on that the pacing too, the slow pacing defintively contributes to the above.
But at the same time I think a majority of the "haters" just fail to put it out in a clear way and actually argue for their stance on it all. But not that it matters when people mainly pay attention to the tools cos they bring in sensationalist-style walls of text, which we could see earlier.
Even for all the fanservice, Kanbaru remains one of the most important characters of the first half of monogatari series because Gahara-san doesn't actually appear often and Hanekawa is reserved with her talking. Nadeko is useless. This leaves Kanbaru to be the only one who can deliver meaningful messages after Hachikuji and Tsukihi. Unfortunately, since the way Kanbaru lies and breaks tension from important matters that she doesn't want to talk about is through dumb jokes and sexual harassment, if Shaft gets complacent, that's all you'll ever see of her.
Even for all the fanservice, Kanbaru remains one of the most important characters of the first half of monogatari series because Gahara-san doesn't actually appear often and Hanekawa is reserved with her talking. Nadeko is useless. This leaves Kanbaru to be the only one who can deliver meaningful messages after Hachikuji and Tsukihi. Unfortunately, since the way Kanbaru lies and breaks tension from important matters that she doesn't want to talk about is through dumb jokes and sexual harassment, if Shaft gets complacent, that's all you'll ever see of her.
Yeah I get that. I suppose I'll end up accepting her later if she does stick and actually feels relevant. Though in Bake her sticking felt very forced to me at least, felt the rest had an acceptable reason to stick around, even if Nadeko has been dead weight ever since the end of her arc. Could just be an execution thing tho. And I get what you mean with the way she "is" as a character but I felt that in Nise it felt a bit excessive especially when you consider that Nise is more fanservice heavy than Bake. It gives a bit of a wrong vibe.
Meh. *shrug* I suppose it's a case of wait and see.
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