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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

If you have knowledge on a chapter that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 05 2013 18:29 GMT
#7701
I can't even imagine what someone has to do to get luffy's perpetual hate.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
June 05 2013 18:42 GMT
#7702
On June 06 2013 03:29 IshinShishi wrote:
I can't even imagine what someone has to do to get luffy's perpetual hate.

Killing his sworn brother might suffice. My theory on why Bartolomeo is scared is because somehow Bellamy was able to use his DF power to get past Bartolomeo's barrier and Luffy's DF is similar enough that he could do the same thing. I have no idea what sort of story reason would make Bartolomeo scared of Luffy in particular besides Luffy being a big shot.
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 19:04:15
June 05 2013 19:03 GMT
#7703
So i just saw mr.dad dragon get mentioned last page on this thread, and im wondering again, i havent realy watched anime or anything, but has there ever been any mentions of how strong he realy is ? i mean can we compare him to kaido? who is supposedly the strongest "monster" in the world or is he just a figure with no real power?
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 19:05:25
June 05 2013 19:03 GMT
#7704
On June 06 2013 03:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 02:53 Razhil wrote:
On June 06 2013 02:37 aTnClouD wrote:
Bartholomeo is linked to somebody stronger (perhaps a Younkou, could be Big Mom or Shanks) since he said the fire fruit has to go to "that man", and this might be the reason he was shocked when he learned about Luffy being at the tournament.


Never though about it but I like the idea of Bartho working under Shanks ^^


I don't personally. One thing I've always loved about Shanks' crew is that none of them look particularly flashy. Sure there's a huge obese guy and Shanks has his scar but other than that they all look like normal people pretty much. Compare that to say Whitebeard (what's eccentric about him is rather obvious) and his crew or Big Mum (again, obvious) or even Luffy who has freaking Robots and Skeletons in his crew, and you wouldn't get the feeling that if you met one of those guys somewhere on an island, he'd completely fuck you up and sink your ship. But that for me is a huge part of their badassery. They seem like small time pirates back in Luffy's village, the bandits don't even know them and suddenly they show up ready to fight and Ben Beckman lifts a finger and makes them all disappear.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Bartolomeo is already too eccentric in the way his character looks, acts and is presented for him to really fit the image of Shanks' crew. I could definitely see him working for someone like Kaido or Big Mom though or - which I'd personally find really cool - Kidd or one of the other Supernovas.

Also if he's really dedicated to bringing the fruit to "that person" which he seems to be, then I'd say that there's a deeper meaning behind this. Like, some kind of personal meaning for it. That could be something like the Whitebeard pirates who don't want Ace's memory to be tainted or even - if we assume he's alive for a second - Sabo. I just feel like Oda wouldn't make readers suspicious like that if the person Bartolomeo was working for/with didn't fit that criteria.

Oh also typing that huge wall of text made me realize again what an incredible writer Oda really is. His attention to detail and broad scale at the same time and his staying true to his characters is probably unrivaled by even most book authors.


To me Shank himself and his crew look the most pirate-ish in this manga beside Roger's crew. They don't really do fancy shit. Ben Beckman,Yasopp and Lucky Roo are such a badass.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 05 2013 19:08 GMT
#7705
On June 06 2013 04:03 whiteLotus wrote:
So i just saw mr.dad dragon get mentioned last page on this thread, and im wondering again, i havent realy watched anime or anything, but has there ever been any mentions of how strong he realy is ? i mean can we compare him to kaido? who is supposedly the strongest "monster" in the world or is he just a figure with no real power?

He is the most dangreous and most wanted man in the world.

no one knows his power though.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 05 2013 19:09 GMT
#7706
On June 06 2013 04:08 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 04:03 whiteLotus wrote:
So i just saw mr.dad dragon get mentioned last page on this thread, and im wondering again, i havent realy watched anime or anything, but has there ever been any mentions of how strong he realy is ? i mean can we compare him to kaido? who is supposedly the strongest "monster" in the world or is he just a figure with no real power?

He is the most dangreous and most wanted man in the world.

no one knows his power though.


He should be reasonably strong considering his insane hype.
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
June 05 2013 19:11 GMT
#7707
On June 05 2013 23:59 Mataza wrote:
I think Bartho is scared more of the huge reputation Luffy has than his devil fruit.
He is famous for:
-being a supernova
-being Ace's brother
-breaking into and out of impel down
-having been in the saobody incident and marineford war
-returning to the marine hq a few days later in full view of reporters

That's quite a list. I'm going on a limb here and say this is a lot for someone just entering the second half.


It's kind of ironic that Bartho is scared of Luffy because his reputation, when he despises people for thinking the same way about him for his reputation.
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
June 05 2013 19:18 GMT
#7708
On June 06 2013 04:09 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 04:08 Mensol wrote:
On June 06 2013 04:03 whiteLotus wrote:
So i just saw mr.dad dragon get mentioned last page on this thread, and im wondering again, i havent realy watched anime or anything, but has there ever been any mentions of how strong he realy is ? i mean can we compare him to kaido? who is supposedly the strongest "monster" in the world or is he just a figure with no real power?

He is the most dangreous and most wanted man in the world.

no one knows his power though.


He should be reasonably strong considering his insane hype.

Well given his hype It would be weird to find out he is anything less than Whitebeard/roger level imo. I mean hes got the title "Most dangerous person in the world" which should at least uphold a large amount to his own power.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 05 2013 19:21 GMT
#7709
On June 06 2013 04:18 shark. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 04:09 Wildmoon wrote:
On June 06 2013 04:08 Mensol wrote:
On June 06 2013 04:03 whiteLotus wrote:
So i just saw mr.dad dragon get mentioned last page on this thread, and im wondering again, i havent realy watched anime or anything, but has there ever been any mentions of how strong he realy is ? i mean can we compare him to kaido? who is supposedly the strongest "monster" in the world or is he just a figure with no real power?

He is the most dangreous and most wanted man in the world.

no one knows his power though.


He should be reasonably strong considering his insane hype.

Well given his hype It would be weird to find out he is anything less than Whitebeard/roger level imo. I mean hes got the title "Most dangerous person in the world" which should at least uphold a large amount to his own power.


You simply don't seek war with the world goverment itselft with being a badass yourself.:D
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 05 2013 19:25 GMT
#7710
Think about it...

He is Garp's son
He is Luffy's dad
most wanted man in One Piece universe

I don't usually like to talk in "tiers" for one piece like Super Saiyan 2, ultra Saiyan, SS3 etc, but he is definitely "top" tier and should be able to easily fight equally with an admiral.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 05 2013 19:31 GMT
#7711
One thing to mention about Dragon is that the anime basically showed him using an air based ability by blowing away the flames on Luffy's home island (can't remember the name, sorry) so that refugees could escape. That scene was however not in the manga I think. So I'm really not sure what to make of it. I mean Dragon having some kind of air/storm ability has always been the most likely and kind of assumed by people but I feel like they're either confirming it there or they're just assuming things. Don't really like either.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 05 2013 19:32 GMT
#7712
I thought he was hinted to have the tornado/weather ability remember how he 'saved' Luffy when luffy was messing around at the Guillotine where Roger was executed? But ya nothing was official though.

Good chapter, i need more Q_Q
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 05 2013 19:33 GMT
#7713
On June 06 2013 04:32 BurningSera wrote:
I thought he was hinted to have the tornado/weather ability remember how he 'saved' Luffy when luffy was messing around at the Guillotine where Roger was executed? But ya nothing was official though.

Good chapter, i need more Q_Q


Yeah, ever since that scene people have been assuming an ability like that. Plus obviously Dragon's Haki has been mentioned several times.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
June 05 2013 19:36 GMT
#7714
Is Robin's line about dwarves a mistranslation? I'm assuming she means fairies, the same creatures that stole Zoro's sword?
안지호
ore0z
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania161 Posts
June 05 2013 19:43 GMT
#7715
Mangastream has the same translation if you trust them more. Don't think it's a mistranslation.
Could be that dwarves are in Green Bit and Faeiries are in Dressrosa.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 05 2013 19:51 GMT
#7716
On June 06 2013 04:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
One thing to mention about Dragon is that the anime basically showed him using an air based ability by blowing away the flames on Luffy's home island (can't remember the name, sorry) so that refugees could escape. That scene was however not in the manga I think. So I'm really not sure what to make of it. I mean Dragon having some kind of air/storm ability has always been the most likely and kind of assumed by people but I feel like they're either confirming it there or they're just assuming things. Don't really like either.


I assume you mean this scene


Anime indeed has shown this scene differently than I expected because when I read the chapter for the first time I assume that it was Kuma using his paw paw fruit
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
June 05 2013 19:55 GMT
#7717
tbh, Dragon himself doesn't have to be that strong. Ofc, not that weak that everybody can walk up to him and one shot him, but he might be feared because he is the one organizing revolutions all around the world... just saying
i am plus
Profile Joined October 2011
United States190 Posts
June 05 2013 19:59 GMT
#7718
dragon is strong enough that smoker wouldnt even try to challenge him to a fight.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 05 2013 20:02 GMT
#7719
Dragon's goals are different from a pirates. Pirates run around, pick fights and cause trouble. Dragon is a revolutionary, he works against the world government. So he isn't parading around with his fighting ability. Also realize that if he's working against the world government, then they probably don't try to hype up his strength more than necessary (propaganda reasons). Also he is the world's most wanted man, which is more than Shanks, Kaido, whoever the fuck else is out there.

Dragon is strongest
maru lover forever
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 21:32:36
June 05 2013 21:23 GMT
#7720
On June 06 2013 04:55 Saumure wrote:
tbh, Dragon himself doesn't have to be that strong. Ofc, not that weak that everybody can walk up to him and one shot him, but he might be feared because he is the one organizing revolutions all around the world... just saying


yep thats what i was thinking, he isnt most wanted cuz hes like the baddest pirate ever, he is just uniting people to fight against goverment, so he may actualy be kinda weak himself :D i dont mean weak as in Nami weak, weak as in "only" arround vice admiral level :D
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
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