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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On November 15 2018 02:01 WonnaPlay wrote: I'm still not sure where to put the revolutionaries in this. Or rather just Monkey D. Dragon himself. I would be disappointed if he is not as strong as Akainu. His supposed DF Kaze Kaze No Mi is a no joke by any means, it can be compared with Gura Gura No Mi fruit in terms of destruction. 1. Yonkou level (Kaidou, Big Mom, Shanks, BB) 2. Fleet-Admiral level (Akainu, Monkey D. Dragon, Mihawk) 3. Admirals and strongest commanders (Kizaru, Fujitora, Ryokugyu, Aokiji, Marco, Katakuri, Benn Beckman one of King/Queen and Sabo) I guess you can argue that Aokiji is borderline fleet admiral level, and Mihawk is inbetween yonkou and fleet-Admiral level. Worth to mention that i didnt include likes Sengoku, Garp and Rayleigh since they are not active anymore. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 08:45 Mensol wrote: I would be disappointed if he is not as strong as Akainu. His supposed DF Kaze Kaze No Mi is a no joke by any means, it can be compared with Gura Gura No Mi fruit in terms of destruction. 1. Yonkou level (Kaidou, Big Mom, Shanks, BB) 2. Fleet-Admiral level (Akainu, Monkey D. Dragon, Mihawk) 3. Admirals and strongest commanders (Kizaru, Fujitora, Ryokugyu, Aokiji, Marco, Katakuri, Benn Beckman one of King/Queen and Sabo) I guess you can argue that Aokiji is borderline fleet admiral level, and Mihawk is inbetween yonkou and fleet-Admiral level. Worth to mention that i didnt include likes Sengoku, Garp and Rayleigh since they are not active anymore. Recent vivre card shows Akainu has the highest peak attack power among all df users. Also with the fact that oda has specifically pointed out that he is so strong he can find one piece in 1 year it’s a crime he is not Yonko level in your mind let alone placing admirals as strong as likes of Katakuri. Akainu is more than likely going to be final villain as well and the fact that he is lower than Yonko level is also pretty wrong. All admirals are of similar strength so they all should be Yonko levels. It’s funny tho would oda say Marco or Katakuri is so strong they can find one piece in 1 year? Or would they even be constantly foreshadowed and hinted to be on same level as yonkos when luffy himself said he will defeat admirals and yonkos in future and don chin jao has specifically mentioned that luffy needs to beat admirals AND yonkos. Can you at least admit this fact? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
On November 15 2018 10:22 Shinokuki wrote: Recent vivre card shows Akainu has the highest peak attack power among all df users. Also with the fact that oda has specifically pointed out that he is so strong he can find one piece in 1 year it’s a crime he is not Yonko level in your mind let alone placing admirals as strong as likes of Katakuri. Akainu is more than likely going to be final villain as well and the fact that he is lower than Yonko level is also pretty wrong. All admirals are of similar strength so they all should be Yonko levels. It’s funny tho would oda say Marco or Katakuri is so strong they can find one piece in 1 year? Or would they even be constantly foreshadowed and hinted to be on same level as yonkos when luffy himself said he will defeat admirals and yonkos in future and don chin jao has specifically mentioned that luffy needs to beat admirals AND yonkos. Can you at least admit this fact? just because akainu can apparently find one piece in a year, it doesnt suddenly make him yonkou level. it just means he could probably find it in a year. thats it. we dont know how long it would take anyone else if they were serious about finding it so you cant form comparisons off that. tbh you should be taking that entire claim by oda with a grain of salt; even if it were completely true and by your assumption akainu is on par with yonkou, why havent big mom or kaidou found it yet? are they not the yonkou you are saying akainu is on par with? therefore it should take 1 year for them also? finding one piece isnt like story mode tekken where you just go and beat the shit out of everyone and claim your prize at the end. or are you suggesting that because big mom and kaidou havent found one piece yet after decades, akainu would completely wreck them? your basis for akainus strength is flawed if youre relying on that one thing oda said about a hypothetical scenario i cant be bothered reciting every instance in one piece that suggests admirals to be on par with yonkous but atm im pretty sure the only one making that claim here is you anyway. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 12:20 evilfatsh1t wrote: just because akainu can apparently find one piece in a year, it doesnt suddenly make him yonkou level. it just means he could probably find it in a year. thats it. we dont know how long it would take anyone else if they were serious about finding it so you cant form comparisons off that. tbh you should be taking that entire claim by oda with a grain of salt; even if it were completely true and by your assumption akainu is on par with yonkou, why havent big mom or kaidou found it yet? are they not the yonkou you are saying akainu is on par with? therefore it should take 1 year for them also? finding one piece isnt like story mode tekken where you just go and beat the shit out of everyone and claim your prize at the end. or are you suggesting that because big mom and kaidou havent found one piece yet after decades, akainu would completely wreck them? your basis for akainus strength is flawed if youre relying on that one thing oda said about a hypothetical scenario i cant be bothered reciting every instance in one piece that suggests admirals to be on par with yonkous but atm im pretty sure the only one making that claim here is you anyway. it's fine if you think that. It's again my opinion backed up by narration and quotes from characters in one piece. It just means that Akainu might be even stronger than big mom or kaido. Recently, like i said, akainu has the highest attack power among df users. His attack is the most lethal according to Oda. Hence, why he was able to solidly put two holes in old man's body and rip his head apart as well with 3 attacks. I'm also forgetting the fact that he put a hole in ace as well. Another instance where he seems to be equal to yonko is when entire BB crew runs away after seeing just a mere sight of Akainu. Another is when Akainu faces 14 WB commanders and manages to take one of them down and fights them to a standstill. You could argue as well if you may I'm just curious what your thought process here is. One last thing though, Akainu has the MOSt chance to become one of the final villain why shouldn't he be on par with some of the other yonkos? | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 11:32 Sentenal wrote: You know, for Admirals supposedly being Youkou level, they sure did seem to have a hard time with White Beard's Division Commanders, Rayleigh, Doflamingo, Law, etc etc.... Once WB commanders lost focus, Aokiji snapped Jozu's arm and KIzaru put a laser hole in Marco's body. Rayleigh was sweating vs Kizaru as well but Rayleigh is a beast himself anyway. When did admirals have hard time vs doffy and Law? like when Fujitora didn't try? when he did try he lifted island's worth of rubbles and threatened to oen shot SH fleet along with SH using only 20% of his gravity power. Let me show you similar scenario with yonkos. You know, for Yonkos supposedly being Admiral level, they sure did seem to have hard time with fodder sea king, jimbei, fodder marines. BIg mom's prometheus got damaged by brook, big mom herself got pushed away by jinbei who got like one shot by MIhawk during MF. Shanks got his arm eaten by a sea king. Whitebeard got damaged by fodder marines and had to sneak attack Akainu just to get a hit and even then his head still got burned it was only plot that saved him just little bit longer so Oda can have BB(final villain) kill WB. These yonkos sure show their power. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 12:20 evilfatsh1t wrote: just because akainu can apparently find one piece in a year, it doesnt suddenly make him yonkou level. it just means he could probably find it in a year. thats it. we dont know how long it would take anyone else if they were serious about finding it so you cant form comparisons off that. tbh you should be taking that entire claim by oda with a grain of salt; even if it were completely true and by your assumption akainu is on par with yonkou, why havent big mom or kaidou found it yet? are they not the yonkou you are saying akainu is on par with? therefore it should take 1 year for them also? finding one piece isnt like story mode tekken where you just go and beat the shit out of everyone and claim your prize at the end. or are you suggesting that because big mom and kaidou havent found one piece yet after decades, akainu would completely wreck them? your basis for akainus strength is flawed if youre relying on that one thing oda said about a hypothetical scenario i cant be bothered reciting every instance in one piece that suggests admirals to be on par with yonkous but atm im pretty sure the only one making that claim here is you anyway. Also can you at least admit that it would be pretty impossible for oda to say KATAKURI is so strong he can find one piece in one year. Isn't Luffy almost equal to Katakuri? Luffy isn't even close to finding one piece. That should tell you the gap that exists between Luffy and top tiers (admirals/yonkos/Mihawk/dragon) | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 14:19 Sentenal wrote: So, things that don't matter to you: Doflamingo squaring off with zero shits given against Fujitora and Kuzan on separate occasions. Fujitora not being able to break Doflamingo's birdcage. Akainu getting his shit wrecked by Whitebeard, after said Whitebeard had been stabbed through the gut and already was an old man with health problems. Kizaru shitting his pants and backing down vs Benn Beckman. All 3 Admirals being fought to a standstill by Whitebeard's Division Commanders, prior to them being distracted. Good to know good stuff. but flawed on your argument as well. Doffy personally knew Fuji won't try at all. Doffy ran away from Aokiji. Akainu wrecked Whitebeard by putting 3 holes and then after getting ko'd for a bit went up and faced aganst 14 wb commanders. Kizaru ignored benn beckman next chapter and attacked anyways. That war was just so many full of plotholes. Wb couldn't do anything vs other 2 admirals either and he got damaged by them. Oda somehow had to make the war last more and have some meaningful scenes. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 15 2018 11:32 Sentenal wrote: You know, for Admirals supposedly being Youkou level, they sure did seem to have a hard time with White Beard's Division Commanders, Rayleigh, Doflamingo, Law, etc etc.... that was before power levels started escalating so much | ||
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RenSC2
United States1094 Posts
That's the balance that needs to be made for that time. The silly thing in One Piece is all the talk of having X thousands of men. Even in Wano, the plan is to form an army of X thousands of men... but the samurai are worth hundreds each. That's just silly. Kaido or Jack or any relevant character could slaughter thousands of men easily. All the power is in the few key players, so we can ignore the rest. Whitebeard was noticeably weak at Marineford (Crocodile commented on it) and was also stabbed by Squard, so his crew was severely handicapped from where they should be as a Yonko crew. Add it all together and I'd say Akainu is around Yonko level, but not quite there on his own. He got the better of a weak Whitebeard, but also took a beating. The additions of Kizaru and Akioji put them over the top of a single Yonko. Then you still have all the vice admirals + Sengoku and Garp to take on the commanders. There's probably some pretty big variance between the commanders too with Marco and Vista being beasts, but others falling well short... Jozu did get toyed with by Doflamingo. But the final thing I want to say is that there are no direct power levels in One Piece. Instead, there are counters and then Haki plot armor to cover up the rest when convenient. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
But the final thing I want to say is that there are no direct power levels in One Piece. tell that to Big Mom and Kaidou | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 17:22 RenSC2 wrote: I seemed to remember the Marines needing the Shichibukai to tip the balance against Whitebeard. Essentially, the Marines were approximately equal to the Whitebeard pirates, but would be superior with the Shichibukai. So for that to hold true, Sengoku and the original 3 admirals + other relevant characters (Garp, etc) would need to be on par with Whitebeard and his commanders + other relevant crew members (allied Captains). That's the balance that needs to be made for that time. The silly thing in One Piece is all the talk of having X thousands of men. Even in Wano, the plan is to form an army of X thousands of men... but the samurai are worth hundreds each. That's just silly. Kaido or Jack or any relevant character could slaughter thousands of men easily. All the power is in the few key players, so we can ignore the rest. Whitebeard was noticeably weak at Marineford (Crocodile commented on it) and was also stabbed by Squard, so his crew was severely handicapped from where they should be as a Yonko crew. Add it all together and I'd say Akainu is around Yonko level, but not quite there on his own. He got the better of a weak Whitebeard, but also took a beating. The additions of Kizaru and Akioji put them over the top of a single Yonko. Then you still have all the vice admirals + Sengoku and Garp to take on the commanders. There's probably some pretty big variance between the commanders too with Marco and Vista being beasts, but others falling well short... Jozu did get toyed with by Doflamingo. But the final thing I want to say is that there are no direct power levels in One Piece. Instead, there are counters and then Haki plot armor to cover up the rest when convenient. Nope, Garp said marines + 7 shichibukai at full strength = 4 yonkos. We saw wb crew get destroyed. Only one top tier was little bit damaged from marines side. Wb crew luckily got help from impel down escapees, boa Hancock, crocodile as well and they still got destroyed. None of the top tiers from marines didn’t even try | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
"Admirals except Akainu didnt get hurt by WB pirates" "None of WB pirates except WB himself were match to admirals" "All admirals managed to hurt WB" "WB managed to beat Akainu with a sneak attack from his back" (gotta mention that its my personal favorite) "Fujitora has only used 20% of his power at Dressrosa" "Garp mentioned that marines and seven shichibukai at their full strenght equals to four yonkou". | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 23:15 Sentenal wrote: Too bad Garp never said that, and also too bad thats now how Marineford went down I’ll quote the video and explain in details | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On November 15 2018 23:48 Mensol wrote: I love the alternate OP and Marineford stories from Shinokuki. "Admirals except Akainu didnt get hurt by WB pirates" "None of WB pirates except WB himself were match to admirals" "All admirals managed to hurt WB" "WB managed to beat Akainu with a sneak attack from his back" (gotta mention that its my personal favorite) "Fujitora has only used 20% of his power at Dressrosa" "Garp mentioned that marines and seven shichibukai at their full strenght equals to four yonkou". They’re all true. Can you explain why they are not true? | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
"Admirals except Akainu didnt get hurt by WB pirates" ![[image loading]](https://i.hizliresim.com/ok9R8m.jpg) "WB managed to beat Akainu with a sneak attack from his back" "Garp mentioned that marines and seven shichibukai at their full strenght equals to four yonkou". Nothing to explain, its an alternate story from you. "Our enemies are the mightiest pirates on the sea: Whitebeard pirates. To counter them, we have got all three admirals and Seven Warlods as well as the Navy's entire combat force. "All admirals managed to hurt WB" Such thing didnt happen. "Fujitora has only used 20% of his power at Dressrosa" Such thing didnt happen. I hope you are satisfied. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18713 Posts
If marines+shichibukai were so strong together we would have no pirates. | ||
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