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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
September 22 2017 13:16 GMT
#27661
On September 22 2017 20:57 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 20:19 Zambrah wrote:
Im definitely looking forward to Luffy solving this one. This is his Akainu v. Ace!

what an apt way to describe this scenario.
katakuri really is luffys akainu atm. luffy is getting stomped

I'd say this is more like Luffy vs. Lucci - at least that's what I'm hoping this turns out to be. This chapter is much better than the last one and put the series back on track IMO. The art looks a lot better too.

I also like how someone finally acknowledged how much damage the Straw Hats and Firetanks have done to Big Mom's crew: Cracker got defeated, Bobbin was seemingly killed, Opera got soul sucked, Perospero was maimed, the chateau was blown up, the Sun pirates and Firetank pirates defected and so did Chiffon. Hopefully, this news will get out how the Big Mom pirates were weakened and it could lead to Kaido sensing weakness and starting a war.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 22 2017 13:24 GMT
#27662
If Katakuri has the advantage in speed, strength, Devil Fruits, and perception haki, it makes me hope that maybe this fight could somehow come down to the area where Luffy excels, Conqueror's Haki. Thus far it has hardly been relevant in big fights, so this would be a chance for Oda to show off what Conqueror's Haki can do
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
September 22 2017 13:36 GMT
#27663
On September 22 2017 22:24 Sentenal wrote:
If Katakuri has the advantage in speed, strength, Devil Fruits, and perception haki, it makes me hope that maybe this fight could somehow come down to the area where Luffy excels, Conqueror's Haki. Thus far it has hardly been relevant in big fights, so this would be a chance for Oda to show off what Conqueror's Haki can do

Could be - though I don't really know how you could expand further on it. I always thought of conqueror's haki as domination/mind control haki - so not sure how he could use that on Katakuri beyond controlling his allies.

I'm leaning more towards Luffy either developing a new technique or finally mastering his rubber ball form. I highly doubt that Katakuri can become a rubber ball via the mochi fruit. Oda has made it a point to highlight how much stamina gear 4 uses and how Luffy can't keep it up for long - maybe this is the fight in which he surpasses that limit?
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 13:47:34
September 22 2017 13:47 GMT
#27664
I'm just thinking that Conqueror's Haki just doesn't live up to its hype right now. And this could be a great opportunity to show us its value when things actually matter, and show it capable of doing things we haven't seen yet. Its just hard for me to accept that Conqueror's Haki is some great, amazing, fearsome thing, when thus far its only been useful against irrelevant fodder.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
September 22 2017 13:51 GMT
#27665
sadly i think conquerors haki has been given to so many characters that are god tier i wouldnt be surprised if oda gave it to katakuri too.
its supposed to be 1/1000000 but honestly, katakuri probably fits in that class anyway.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 22 2017 13:54 GMT
#27666
While true, it could also be in the one area where Luffy exceeds Katakuri. We know Luffy has Observation Haki, but its already been shown to be weaker than Katakuri's, so it could be reverse for Conquerors.

Honestly I'd be kinda disappointed if Luffy came out with a new technique for it. Although it wouldn't be too bad to show off more of what Gear 4th is able to do as well.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
September 22 2017 14:05 GMT
#27667
On September 22 2017 21:43 Makro wrote:
admiral level is something in a higher league, but i do think he's in the shichibukai level (probably a bit below that)

definitely a nice surprise nonetheless

He has over one billion bounty, strongest commander of Big Mom pirates, can see the future and you call him below shichibukai level? wtf?
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
September 22 2017 14:33 GMT
#27668
Conqueror Haki isn't just some one trick where you knock people out - that is just one function. The major function of it is being able to dominate others and form kingdoms. Hence the comment from Don Chinjao during his fight with Luffy - "what kind of king do you want to be?" The reason that the marines fear pirates with conqueror Haki is because they can form large crews and alliances that become a major problem to deal with. Just think about the people who we've seen use it: Doflamingo, Whitebeard, Shanks, Big Mom...
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 22 2017 14:37 GMT
#27669
On September 22 2017 23:33 Hyperbola wrote:
Conqueror Haki isn't just some one trick where you knock people out - that is just one function. The major function of it is being able to dominate others and form kingdoms. Hence the comment from Don Chinjao during his fight with Luffy - "what kind of king do you want to be?" The reason that the marines fear pirates with conqueror Haki is because they can form large crews and alliances that become a major problem to deal with. Just think about the people who we've seen use it: Doflamingo, Whitebeard, Shanks, Big Mom...

If thats all it is, its like the single least exciting special power I've ever seen in a shounen manga. Thats the sort of ability shounen MCs come equipped by default, so if it can't do anything more than that, Oda's dropped the ball
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
September 22 2017 15:24 GMT
#27670
Well can't you use it to give extra zing to your aatacks. Atleast in scenes like where Luffy fought Don Chinjao and their Conqueror Haki were clashing.
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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
September 22 2017 16:07 GMT
#27671
Actually it gets "explained" even earlier, by mihawk and ivankov during the war. Luffy attracts people and makes them his ally due to conquerors haki. But i also think Oda is wrong here. Meme aside, way too many people have it. It was supposed to be something special, of course everyone in the new world is hella strong but conquerors haki was not linked to strength necessarily. I dont like that Chinjao had it. Hell even Doflamingo shouldnt have had it. He was just a random noble that stumbled upon a strong fruit and awakened it, i dont think conquerors haki is a requirement for that.
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
September 22 2017 16:15 GMT
#27672
Conq Haki doesn't seem to have any applications in combat against someone strong, so I don't see why it should play a part in this fight.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
September 22 2017 16:30 GMT
#27673
On September 23 2017 01:07 Warri wrote:
Actually it gets "explained" even earlier, by mihawk and ivankov during the war. Luffy attracts people and makes them his ally due to conquerors haki. But i also think Oda is wrong here. Meme aside, way too many people have it. It was supposed to be something special, of course everyone in the new world is hella strong but conquerors haki was not linked to strength necessarily. I dont like that Chinjao had it. Hell even Doflamingo shouldnt have had it. He was just a random noble that stumbled upon a strong fruit and awakened it, i dont think conquerors haki is a requirement for that.

I'm not actually 100% sure that Luffy's magnetism is because of his Conqueror Haki. While it does seem to help him a lot, I doubt that it's just because he has it that everyone just wants to see him succeed. It has more to do with him magnetic personality, IMO. My reasoning for this is because the shit he pulled in Marineford was miles above what any other "Conqueror" did: he started off the fight with no allies (back in Impel Down) and managed to convince the Newkama, Crocodile, Jimbe, Buggy and the prisoners, then later Whitebeard and his crew to help him. I doubt that someone like Doflamingo or Boa Hancock could pull that shit off. Also, Luffy stated himself that he does not want to conquer anything and just wants to be free.

This is what I think the major distinction is: Conqueror Haki enables you to force your will upon others while Luffy's natural magnetism makes everyone want to help him. I'm sure Luffy could use a combination of his strength and Haki to build a gigantic crew if he wanted to, but he doesn't. Instead his "fleet" of allies is built around him without his consent.
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Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
September 22 2017 17:05 GMT
#27674
I don't think it's a case of "It's supposed to be special and everyone seems to have it" for Conq Haki. It's just that we're in an area of such high level that all the people that don't have it have been weeded out, so it just seems oversaturated.


I'm kinda wondering about "Awakening" fruits and whether that'll come into play for Luffy after Doflamingo set it up in their fight as a higher level.

---

And as far as Shichibukai level goes.. there is such a variance in how strong Shichibukai are that there's no way to call someone "As strong as the Shichibukai."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
September 22 2017 17:05 GMT
#27675
maybe Luffy dies here to show that dreams don't come true and Oda wants to avoid getting stuck with nakama power winning the final battle
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 22 2017 18:16 GMT
#27676
On September 23 2017 01:15 sumsaR wrote:
Conq Haki doesn't seem to have any applications in combat against someone strong, so I don't see why it should play a part in this fight.

It just doesn't make any sense for the most special, "terrifying" Haki power that Luffy specializes in to be useless. The entire point that it seemingly has no application in combat against strong people make it a laughable power for a shounen manga.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18749 Posts
September 22 2017 19:17 GMT
#27677
I am not even sure luffy is going to defeat mochi guy. This totally looks like him vs admirals fight. But he will surely learn something from this fight to be able to use it in wano kingdom and kaido
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 19:54:30
September 22 2017 19:54 GMT
#27678
what if katakuri secrets luffy away and trains him for 5 years on how to use his moves even better as the next time skip

hyperbolic mirror chamber
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 22 2017 20:08 GMT
#27679
There's a good chance that he will let Luffy free and ally with him.
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
September 22 2017 20:13 GMT
#27680
On September 23 2017 03:16 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2017 01:15 sumsaR wrote:
Conq Haki doesn't seem to have any applications in combat against someone strong, so I don't see why it should play a part in this fight.

It just doesn't make any sense for the most special, "terrifying" Haki power that Luffy specializes in to be useless. The entire point that it seemingly has no application in combat against strong people make it a laughable power for a shounen manga.

I think it's the potential of it that's terrifying people. Most just won't have a strong enough Conq Haki to actually have it apply to others that are on about the same level. But those weaker can be affected.

The thing is, with strong enough Conq Haki a 1 v 100001 fight where there's only one strong enough person to resist the Haki turns into a 1v1. That's where the strength of the ability in combat lays. To deal with numbers.
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