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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 22 2014 17:49 GMT
#9521
As long as Hitsugaya dies at the end, I will be happy.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 22 2014 19:25 GMT
#9522
On August 23 2014 01:13 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 16:10 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
I think the drug is supposed to keep Hitsugaya in a loop until he comes to a "self realisation" and subsequently dispels the zombie curse... Mayuri is basically giving Hitsugayas brain time to kick back into gear and re-take control by slowly awakening his ability for reason and think critically.

no the drug is literally eating away at his brain destroying his sense of balance so Mayuri can easily finish him off

No, the drug literally affects the rest of existence and resets time, everytime mayuri dies. Somehow. Stop coming up with realistic explanations to the mindblowingly stupid scenarios which kubo writes.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 22 2014 19:44 GMT
#9523
The drug obviously has hallucination and flashback effects. The poor guy only thinks he kills Mayuri, when actually is swinging wildly.
The time reset occurs when Mayuri positions himself a few feet in front of zombiedwarf and repeats the "do you wanna test a drug, captain" line in a calm voice.
Being in a roughly similar situation zombiedwarf then gets flashback from the times it has happened before.

Don't do drugs kids, they're bad for you.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 23 2014 03:59 GMT
#9524
Drugs can affect everything you perceive, including your perception of time. The most farfetched thing about it is looping time when the person perceives himself to have done a specific thing, but it's not as bad as other recent happenings.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 23 2014 04:36 GMT
#9525
basically hitsugaya is imagining how the fight is going subconciously, he goes to swing but it takes so long to his senses that he startes planning the next move then when he gets to game over it resets
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
August 23 2014 05:07 GMT
#9526
I agree with New Sunshine, the drug Mayuri delivered to Hitsugaya affects his perception of reality as a whole.

So basically his brain works in overtime at a speed say like the dream world in the movie "Inception" so it allows the scene to play out the way Hitsugaya acts it out mentally.

And since his mind is working at speeds way faster than his body can move/process, then you could say he has done a complete 10 minute fight yet still has only actually moved less than a second in reality and has barely moved a muscle.

I'd say it's a further modification of what Mayuri drugged the 8th Arrancar with who was dosed with a superhuman drug. So it's kind of cool as well if you think about how Mayuri's ability is actually a development of a previously known ability shown.

that's what I think.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 23 2014 05:19 GMT
#9527
On August 23 2014 14:07 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I agree with New Sunshine, the drug Mayuri delivered to Hitsugaya affects his perception of reality as a whole.

So basically his brain works in overtime at a speed say like the dream world in the movie "Inception" so it allows the scene to play out the way Hitsugaya acts it out mentally.

And since his mind is working at speeds way faster than his body can move/process, then you could say he has done a complete 10 minute fight yet still has only actually moved less than a second in reality and has barely moved a muscle.

I'd say it's a further modification of what Mayuri drugged the 8th Arrancar with who was dosed with a superhuman drug. So it's kind of cool as well if you think about how Mayuri's ability is actually a development of a previously known ability shown.

that's what I think.

could have been the same one but in a smaller dosage? in high doses there senses are so superhuman there incapable of really doing anything but in small doses the effects are more subtle

the Arrancar never had a chance to attack Mayuri after getting the drug so we cant say for certain
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-23 12:52:08
August 23 2014 12:50 GMT
#9528
On August 23 2014 13:36 Forikorder wrote:
basically hitsugaya is imagining how the fight is going subconciously, he goes to swing but it takes so long to his senses that he startes planning the next move then when he gets to game over it resets

Not only does Forikorder know what Oda thinks, he's also got a dial-in to Kubo.

We should just start reading what Forikorder writes instead of the actual chapters, as he knows best.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 23 2014 13:30 GMT
#9529
The sad thing is that he made much more sense than Kubo lol.
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
August 23 2014 13:45 GMT
#9530
On August 23 2014 22:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The sad thing is that he made much more sense than Kubo lol.

Metaphysically, yes.

Kubo's got some actual time travel going on, caused by the effects of a drug on a single individual. It makes no sense at all.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-23 13:52:06
August 23 2014 13:51 GMT
#9531
I know! It's just so stupid that people can be forgiven for coming up with explanations that actually makes some sort of sense, even though it goes directly against what the author has written.
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
August 23 2014 20:40 GMT
#9532
We will probably be given in an explanation in the next few chapters which will probably relate to Mayuris Espada encounter.

IMO it's something like Hitsugayas brain functions have been increased to a level where all these situations are something that he subconsciously thinks about when he enters battle about what his opponent could be capable given past knowledge. Due to this increased level of brain activity mixed with maybe an extra side effect of the drug, results in his body getting screwed over.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-23 21:36:57
August 23 2014 21:36 GMT
#9533
On August 23 2014 21:50 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 13:36 Forikorder wrote:
basically hitsugaya is imagining how the fight is going subconciously, he goes to swing but it takes so long to his senses that he startes planning the next move then when he gets to game over it resets

Not only does Forikorder know what Oda thinks, he's also got a dial-in to Kubo.

We should just start reading what Forikorder writes instead of the actual chapters, as he knows best.

I don't see you coming up with smart ideas, so why don't you stop being an ass and picking on the guy who has a hard time expressing his ideas correctly in english?
I know it's easy to criticize others, but mocking someone who just tries to make sense of, let's be honest about Bleach and Naruto, quite absurd stories is just bad mannered.

If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-23 21:36:40
August 23 2014 21:36 GMT
#9534
accidental doublepost
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 24 2014 01:39 GMT
#9535
Discerning Kubo's intentions is the surest road to insanity.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-24 02:08:58
August 24 2014 02:08 GMT
#9536
That way lies madness.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-24 02:45:11
August 24 2014 02:42 GMT
#9537
On August 23 2014 22:45 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 22:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The sad thing is that he made much more sense than Kubo lol.

Metaphysically, yes.

Kubo's got some actual time travel going on, caused by the effects of a drug on a single individual. It makes no sense at all.

That's because it's probably not true? What we're seeing is how things are going from Hitsugaya's point of view, which constantly repeats. If we didn't see this, how would Kubo illustrate the effects of the drug at all? We had to see things loop from his perspective, otherwise it just looks kinda dumb. Then it goes back to the every-other-person camera, where we see Hitsu on the ground and Mayuri going for the kill. I didn't think it was that hard to get, and compared to the rest of this arc so far it's actually pretty good. Like I said, I wish the past 3(?) years of this manga were of this quality, the story might make some sense, and it might be genuinely interesting.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 24 2014 03:39 GMT
#9538
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/593/15

unless its a translation error doesnt Mayuri say that Hitsugaya is seeing the future? hes not in a time loop hes just seeing what comes next then after X event it resets
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 24 2014 04:11 GMT
#9539
In Mangastream's translation it's him seeing into the past, which is more consistent with what else Mayuri says in the chapter, about when the drug was administered to begin with. However, given that Histugaya is just experiencing a massive hallucination, it could be interpreted either way. He perceives himself fighting and killing Mayuri, and at that point the drug sends him back in time - as far as he's concerned. Within the hallucination he's going both forward and back in time, a hallucination based on his current goal of killing Mayuri, then the drug sends him back again once that goal becomes fulfilled in his mind, going through time loops as he experiences the drug's effects. In reality his brain can't handle it, hence you see him helpless on the ground.

However, this is all my hypothesis sans additional information, so don't be particularly beholden to it.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-24 08:08:40
August 24 2014 08:06 GMT
#9540
On August 24 2014 06:36 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 21:50 sumsaR wrote:
On August 23 2014 13:36 Forikorder wrote:
basically hitsugaya is imagining how the fight is going subconciously, he goes to swing but it takes so long to his senses that he startes planning the next move then when he gets to game over it resets

Not only does Forikorder know what Oda thinks, he's also got a dial-in to Kubo.

We should just start reading what Forikorder writes instead of the actual chapters, as he knows best.

I don't see you coming up with smart ideas, so why don't you stop being an ass and picking on the guy who has a hard time expressing his ideas correctly in english?
I know it's easy to criticize others, but mocking someone who just tries to make sense of, let's be honest about Bleach and Naruto, quite absurd stories is just bad mannered.


But what would the point of doing that be? It's Kubo. I'd only be wasting my time. There's really no need whatsoever to "come up with smart ideas" to make sense of Bleach. We're way past the point of no return to reasonable territory.

And I'm sorry (not really) if sarcasm that's been in effect for ages (yes, that's how long we've been mocking Forikorder) offends you.
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