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On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:08 Aegon I wrote:
How exactly does one draw the conclusion that Daenarys is going mad? The way she treated the slave masters may have been dishonest and dishonorable but it was also cunning and rewarding. She raised a mighty army in a stroke. The way she heeds the advice of the experienced commanders in her entourage shows that she has not grown arrogant after that. Show nested quote +Who would follow a mad, inbred want-to-be queen with dragons and a preferral of very hot murder. She has no claim and no merit. Idk you tell me, it's what you claimed to be. Are you 2 different posters? Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:09 CrimsonLotus wrote:On June 01 2013 10:55 Zooper31 wrote:On June 01 2013 10:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 01 2013 09:15 KwarK wrote:
The seven kingdoms as a single entity don't exist without the Targaryen dynasty and Dany is the last survivor of that. She's the only one who would make sense. Her dynasty's claim is merely that they were stronger than any other house and managed to conquer (or assert their authority over them on the threat of it) them...thats the same claim any single other person would make, including the late Robert. But they did it first and united the kingdoms as Kwark has said. Without the Targaryen's conquering everyone and uniting everything then the kingdoms wouldn't be where they are today imo. She deserves to be on the throne the most imo. She's definitely not mad or crazy. She has a heart for people in suffering and kills evil people. I guess you just don't like her lol. On June 01 2013 10:54 CrimsonLotus wrote:On June 01 2013 06:38 Zooper31 wrote:
Joffrey "Baratheon" Lannister: Last seen cowarding in his castle during the Battle of Blackwater Bay after making Tyrion lead the charge instead. He's since being wed to Margaery Tyrell instead to secure Highgarden and their riches/forces. He's killed Ros just have to fun, threatened to rape Sansa, discovered a love for crossbows, and is being manipulated by Margaery and Tywin. I think technically he would be called Joffrey Waters, since he was born out of wedlock he would be a bastard : P. Isn't a bastard just a person born of another person outside of the marriage they are currently in, IE having an affair. Thats what every "bastard" in the show has been, first Jon Snow (Ned cheated on his wife) and then Gendry (Robert cheating with a whore). And why the name Waters? We don't even know what people in the kingdoms feel about having a child out of marriage really even. And that fits perfectly for the little evil king. He was born out of an affair therefore he's a bastard. I don't think there's a rule for when the bastard is born of noble incest, but given how much incest is looked down in Westeros I imagine he wouldn't even be given the Lannister name. And it's Waters because that's the surname for the region where King's Landing is located and I presume he was born there. They haven't explained surnames for bastards in regions have they? If so I completely missed that lesson.
Lol holy crap, that is too funny. I'm rollin over here.
And Joffrey Waters just makes me think of John Waters.....
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On June 01 2013 11:13 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:On June 01 2013 11:08 Aegon I wrote:
How exactly does one draw the conclusion that Daenarys is going mad? The way she treated the slave masters may have been dishonest and dishonorable but it was also cunning and rewarding. She raised a mighty army in a stroke. The way she heeds the advice of the experienced commanders in her entourage shows that she has not grown arrogant after that. Who would follow a mad, inbred want-to-be queen with dragons and a preferral of very hot murder. She has no claim and no merit. Idk you tell me, it's what you claimed to be. Are you 2 different posters? On June 01 2013 11:09 CrimsonLotus wrote:On June 01 2013 10:55 Zooper31 wrote:On June 01 2013 10:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 01 2013 09:15 KwarK wrote:
The seven kingdoms as a single entity don't exist without the Targaryen dynasty and Dany is the last survivor of that. She's the only one who would make sense. Her dynasty's claim is merely that they were stronger than any other house and managed to conquer (or assert their authority over them on the threat of it) them...thats the same claim any single other person would make, including the late Robert. But they did it first and united the kingdoms as Kwark has said. Without the Targaryen's conquering everyone and uniting everything then the kingdoms wouldn't be where they are today imo. She deserves to be on the throne the most imo. She's definitely not mad or crazy. She has a heart for people in suffering and kills evil people. I guess you just don't like her lol. On June 01 2013 10:54 CrimsonLotus wrote:On June 01 2013 06:38 Zooper31 wrote:
Joffrey "Baratheon" Lannister: Last seen cowarding in his castle during the Battle of Blackwater Bay after making Tyrion lead the charge instead. He's since being wed to Margaery Tyrell instead to secure Highgarden and their riches/forces. He's killed Ros just have to fun, threatened to rape Sansa, discovered a love for crossbows, and is being manipulated by Margaery and Tywin. I think technically he would be called Joffrey Waters, since he was born out of wedlock he would be a bastard : P. Isn't a bastard just a person born of another person outside of the marriage they are currently in, IE having an affair. Thats what every "bastard" in the show has been, first Jon Snow (Ned cheated on his wife) and then Gendry (Robert cheating with a whore). And why the name Waters? We don't even know what people in the kingdoms feel about having a child out of marriage really even. And that fits perfectly for the little evil king. He was born out of an affair therefore he's a bastard. I don't think there's a rule for when the bastard is born of noble incest, but given how much incest is looked down in Westeros I imagine he wouldn't even be given the Lannister name. And it's Waters because that's the surname for the region where King's Landing is located and I presume he was born there. They haven't explained surnames for bastards in regions have they? If so I completely missed that lesson. Lol holy crap, that is too funny. I'm rollin over here. And Joffrey Waters just makes me think of John Waters.....
Don't you dare sully the name of John Waters with the likes of Joffrey! (I thought the same)
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On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:
They haven't explained surnames for bastards in regions have they? If so I completely missed that lesson. Is a bastard born in highgarden called a flower or rose?
I don't think they have
In the Reach (Highgarden), bastards have the Flowers surname
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On June 01 2013 11:52 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:
They haven't explained surnames for bastards in regions have they? If so I completely missed that lesson. Is a bastard born in highgarden called a flower or rose? I don't think they have In the Reach (Highgarden), it would be Flowers
So is that book spoilers or what? <.<
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Lets not hunt down irrelevant and accidental spoilers just so we can get someone temp banned.
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On June 01 2013 11:58 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Lets not hunt down irrelevant and accidental spoilers just so we can get someone temp banned.
Just wondering if maybe that'll be important at some point. Who knows if we go to Highgarden and meet someone with the last name Flowers. Maybe we weren't supposed to know yet they that they were a bastard of someone important and they were going to explain the surnames at one point and then we all of a sudden have a realization. Who knows. not that I care at all just maybe that'll be something they explain and will be important at some point idk I don't read the books.
And it wasn't accidental, who knows if it's relevant (book readers would I suppose). Better not to say anything related to the books like the notes say.
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On June 01 2013 11:53 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:52 Yhamm wrote:On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:
They haven't explained surnames for bastards in regions have they? If so I completely missed that lesson. Is a bastard born in highgarden called a flower or rose? I don't think they have In the Reach (Highgarden), it would be Flowers So is that book spoilers or what? <.<
I'm sorry, you asked for an information, I gave it to you
now, to be honest, does it spoil anything in the show? I really don't think so and that is why I answered, nothing else
actually, we even met a Flowers in season 1, a dead ranger of the Night Watch who became a wight
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On June 01 2013 12:01 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:58 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Lets not hunt down irrelevant and accidental spoilers just so we can get someone temp banned. Just wondering if maybe that'll be important at some point. Who knows if we go to Highgarden and meet someone with the last name Flowers. Maybe we weren't supposed to know yet they that they were a bastard of someone important and they were going to explain the surnames at one point and then we all of a sudden have a realization. Who knows. not that I care at all just maybe that'll be something they explain and will be important at some point idk I don't read the books. And it wasn't accidental, who knows if it's relevant (book readers would I suppose). Better not to say anything related to the books like the notes say. Theres a million different ways the traditional surname of bastards could have been made known to book readers, innocuous and intrinsic to the plot. The information itself gives YOU nothing. If it fucks with your mind in anyway I'm sorry your so mentally fucking fragile. As for the rest of us it doesnt matter a whit.
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Bastard surnames are listed on http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Bastard, which is the show wiki linked in the first post. It should be fair game for this thread, but there are still possible spoilers if you read everything.
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On June 01 2013 12:09 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 12:01 Zooper31 wrote:On June 01 2013 11:58 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Lets not hunt down irrelevant and accidental spoilers just so we can get someone temp banned. Just wondering if maybe that'll be important at some point. Who knows if we go to Highgarden and meet someone with the last name Flowers. Maybe we weren't supposed to know yet they that they were a bastard of someone important and they were going to explain the surnames at one point and then we all of a sudden have a realization. Who knows. not that I care at all just maybe that'll be something they explain and will be important at some point idk I don't read the books. And it wasn't accidental, who knows if it's relevant (book readers would I suppose). Better not to say anything related to the books like the notes say. Theres a million different ways the traditional surname of bastards could have been made known to book readers, innocuous and intrinsic to the plot. The information itself gives YOU nothing. If it fucks with your mind in anyway I'm sorry your so mentally fucking fragile. As for the rest of us it doesnt matter a whit.
It doesn't bother me at all I could care less, I found it interesting actually. Don't need to insult me though thinking I was mad about it. I was just pointing out that it was something that isn't explained in the series yet is all. Tone down the aggression.
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Wow, I finally understand how everyone knew Jon Snow was a bastard from the get go. It always confused and I just accepted it and moved on.
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On June 01 2013 12:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Wow, I finally understand how everyone knew Jon Snow was a bastard from the get go. It always confused and I just accepted it and moved on.
Theres books readers everywhere in this thread :/
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On June 01 2013 12:16 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 12:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Wow, I finally understand how everyone knew Jon Snow was a bastard from the get go. It always confused and I just accepted it and moved on. Theres books readers everywhere in this thread :/
Snow, for sure, has been explained as the bastard surname of those born in the north. As well as the whole "wolves for the 5 true stark children" thing in the first episode.
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On June 01 2013 11:53 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:52 Yhamm wrote:On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:
They haven't explained surnames for bastards in regions have they? If so I completely missed that lesson. Is a bastard born in highgarden called a flower or rose? I don't think they have In the Reach (Highgarden), it would be Flowers So is that book spoilers or what? <.<
i don't get how you are claiming him to be spoiling something that you asked directly? :S
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On June 01 2013 12:27 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:53 Zooper31 wrote:On June 01 2013 11:52 Yhamm wrote:On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:
They haven't explained surnames for bastards in regions have they? If so I completely missed that lesson. Is a bastard born in highgarden called a flower or rose? I don't think they have In the Reach (Highgarden), it would be Flowers So is that book spoilers or what? <.< i don't get how you are claiming him to be spoiling something that you asked directly? :S
Obviously if it hasn't been mentioned in show yet don't answer it. Could've just said no it hasn't been mentioned. And my question was more along the lines of me just talking aloud and wasn't really a question that needed answering. Was just conjecture and I expected no answer tbh.
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On June 01 2013 11:10 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:08 Aegon I wrote:
How exactly does one draw the conclusion that Daenarys is going mad? The way she treated the slave masters may have been dishonest and dishonorable but it was also cunning and rewarding. She raised a mighty army in a stroke. The way she heeds the advice of the experienced commanders in her entourage shows that she has not grown arrogant after that. Show nested quote +Who would follow a mad, inbred want-to-be queen with dragons and a preferral of very hot murder. She has no claim and no merit. Idk you tell me, it's what you claimed to be. Are you 2 different posters?
Oh, I actually wanted to quote that.
my bad.
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On June 01 2013 12:09 Jophess wrote:Bastard surnames are listed on http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Bastard, which is the show wiki linked in the first post. It should be fair game for this thread, but there are still possible spoilers if you read everything.
Yeah, just because some people don't know that it doesn't mean they are spoilers. It's just background info. I think if you're the kind of viewer that doesn't even look a the show's wiki then in may not be a good idea to be looking at a thread like this.
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does the next episode premiere this sunday??
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Could you guys please be a little bit less paranoid about spoilers? You are hurting this thread just as much as people who actually do spoil stuff 
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On June 01 2013 17:16 KadaverBB wrote:Could you guys please be a little bit less paranoid about spoilers? You are hurting this thread just as much as people who actually do spoil stuff
Was about fucking time... Thanks mod, good call! 
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