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On June 27 2009 03:23 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 03:17 SiGurD wrote:On June 27 2009 02:02 fanatacist wrote:
SiGurD, read the manga. If i read the manga, it will destroy everything for me. Since ive seen the episodes since beginning. At first I thought the same, but after reading the manga, you realize that its the episodes that are not worth it. (only the fights)
QFT. Manga is much better.
Manga has things like the Kakashi arc and almost no fillers, and the story has developed a lot between the most recent Anime and Manga, all of which I know I would sorely miss if I did not read it.
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On June 27 2009 03:17 SiGurD wrote:If i read the manga, it will destroy everything for me. Since ive seen the episodes since beginning.
I think that if you stay in this topic any longer, it will destroy everything for you. I think everyone here is talking about the manga. My suggestion is that you read it because the anime does love filler a lot.
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On June 27 2009 03:34 TealLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 03:17 SiGurD wrote:On June 27 2009 02:02 fanatacist wrote:
SiGurD, read the manga. If i read the manga, it will destroy everything for me. Since ive seen the episodes since beginning. I think that if you stay in this topic any longer, it will destroy everything for you. I think everyone here is talking about the manga. My suggestion is that you read it because the anime does love filler a lot.
You might be saying the truth, but as the topic said "Naruto" i wanted to discuss the latest episodes, and that was about oro getting killed or not. My point is why read the manga? And watch the episodes? Doesn't make any sense or give me any feeling of whats gonna happen later on in the serie. Or am i totally wrong?
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Orochimaru is not dead, sasuke took over his power, just like the naruto's seal holding back the 9tail, Sasuke's eye power is controling orochimaru in an alternate reality, and sasuke can use any and every skill Orochimaru can use. Which Includes that huge ass snake boss orochimaru can summon. Only once Sasuke is completely drain of energy will Orochimaru be able to take over Sasuke's body. So Sasuke will never be able to fight all out because he has to save large portion of his energy to suppress orochimaru. I hopw that make sense for you.
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On June 27 2009 04:06 rei wrote:
Orochimaru is not dead, sasuke took over his power, just like the naruto's seal holding back the 9tail, Sasuke's eye power is controling orochimaru in an alternate reality, and sasuke can use any and every skill Orochimaru can use. Which Includes that huge ass snake boss orochimaru can summon. Only once Sasuke is completely drain of energy will Orochimaru be able to take over Sasuke's body. So Sasuke will never be able to fight all out because he has to save large portion of his energy to suppress orochimaru. I hopw that make sense for you.
Wow that cleared it all up, fuck i was so scared he really died. Hes teh shit for me tho.
So you mean that if Sasuke uses all his powers or if u call it like "stamina" Orochimaru will be able to take over Sasukes body and just appear again?
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yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes
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On June 27 2009 04:09 SiGurD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:06 rei wrote:
Orochimaru is not dead, sasuke took over his power, just like the naruto's seal holding back the 9tail, Sasuke's eye power is controling orochimaru in an alternate reality, and sasuke can use any and every skill Orochimaru can use. Which Includes that huge ass snake boss orochimaru can summon. Only once Sasuke is completely drain of energy will Orochimaru be able to take over Sasuke's body. So Sasuke will never be able to fight all out because he has to save large portion of his energy to suppress orochimaru. I hopw that make sense for you. Wow that cleared it all up, fuck i was so scared he really died. Hes teh shit for me tho. So you mean that if Sasuke uses all his powers or if u call it like "stamina" Orochimaru will be able to take over Sasukes body and just appear again?
See, this is where your good intentions of talking about the anime is ruined. If you read the manga you would know the answer. Sasuke uses Orochimaru in a future fight.
This could be a pretty big spoiler to people, but since you HAVE to ask then there is no choice but to present it to you. I tried to minimize the spoilage factor.
However, people will be posting things about the manga here that will spoil you either way, and it's in your best interest to read the manga just so that you don't get shit spoiled for you.
The point of watching the anime and reading the manga is like reading the LotR books and watching the movies. Different take, different experience, different perspective. Action vs. image.
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On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes
I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so.
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On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so.
So by that you mean he can control it by himself. If he wants to let Orochimaru out he just does it? If he doesn't want to he can just have it that way? Which means Kabuto have to convince Sasuke to let Orochimaru out if that is even a chance of happening i would be glad lol.
And now in the serie Sasuke really hates Orochimaru which means he wont appear in the nearest future i believe?
Well read something i will eventually see in the anime, makes it no fun at all. I suppose ...
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On June 27 2009 04:27 SiGurD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so. So by that you mean he can control it by himself. If he wants to let Orochimaru out he just does it? If he doesn't want to he can just have it that way? Which means Kabuto have to convince Sasuke to let Orochimaru out if that is even a chance of happening i would be glad lol. And now in the serie Sasuke really hates Orochimaru which means he wont appear in the nearest future i believe? Well read something i will eventually see in the anime, makes it no fun at all. I suppose ...
That's what I think, and I don't think I am doing as much speculating as I am just explaining it from a more knowledgeable perspective (I know what happens later in the manga lol). Hypothetically yes, but is Sasuke really going to listen to Kabuto after he just wrecked Orochimaru's shit? Doubtful.
Not going to spoil you more.
Think about it this way. The manga and anime have the same storyline, minus the fillers. Therefore, anything that is revealed to you in the anime will be revealed to you in the manga - it's the same experience in terms of gaining knowledge/story progression/character development. The anime is just a visual aid to the manga in my opinion, with some shitty arcs added on. The anime is good for fights, the manga is good for story/single-frame animation. Some of the manga pieces are fucking gorgeous and any Naruto fan that does not read it is missing out, IMO.
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On June 27 2009 04:34 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:27 SiGurD wrote:On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so. So by that you mean he can control it by himself. If he wants to let Orochimaru out he just does it? If he doesn't want to he can just have it that way? Which means Kabuto have to convince Sasuke to let Orochimaru out if that is even a chance of happening i would be glad lol. And now in the serie Sasuke really hates Orochimaru which means he wont appear in the nearest future i believe? Well read something i will eventually see in the anime, makes it no fun at all. I suppose ... That's what I think, and I don't think I am doing as much speculating as I am just explaining it from a more knowledgeable perspective (I know what happens later in the manga lol). Hypothetically yes, but is Sasuke really going to listen to Kabuto after he just wrecked Orochimaru's shit? Doubtful. Not going to spoil you more. Think about it this way. The manga and anime have the same storyline, minus the fillers. Therefore, anything that is revealed to you in the anime will be revealed to you in the manga - it's the same experience in terms of gaining knowledge/story progression/character development. The anime is just a visual aid to the manga in my opinion, with some shitty arcs added on. The anime is good for fights, the manga is good for story/single-frame animation. Some of the manga pieces are fucking gorgeous and any Naruto fan that does not read it is missing out, IMO.
Yeah man i can understand why people reads the manga too, but the feeling of watching every episode is more nicer than reading it and just look at "pictures" with texts in it. NO feeling at all imo.
Well as you said you already know stuffs ahead of me coming in the near future which i will see in the episodes. BUT am i gonna see Orochimaru anymore?
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On June 27 2009 04:41 SiGurD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:34 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:27 SiGurD wrote:On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so. So by that you mean he can control it by himself. If he wants to let Orochimaru out he just does it? If he doesn't want to he can just have it that way? Which means Kabuto have to convince Sasuke to let Orochimaru out if that is even a chance of happening i would be glad lol. And now in the serie Sasuke really hates Orochimaru which means he wont appear in the nearest future i believe? Well read something i will eventually see in the anime, makes it no fun at all. I suppose ... That's what I think, and I don't think I am doing as much speculating as I am just explaining it from a more knowledgeable perspective (I know what happens later in the manga lol). Hypothetically yes, but is Sasuke really going to listen to Kabuto after he just wrecked Orochimaru's shit? Doubtful. Not going to spoil you more. Think about it this way. The manga and anime have the same storyline, minus the fillers. Therefore, anything that is revealed to you in the anime will be revealed to you in the manga - it's the same experience in terms of gaining knowledge/story progression/character development. The anime is just a visual aid to the manga in my opinion, with some shitty arcs added on. The anime is good for fights, the manga is good for story/single-frame animation. Some of the manga pieces are fucking gorgeous and any Naruto fan that does not read it is missing out, IMO. Yeah man i can understand why people reads the manga too, but the feeling of watching every episode is more nicer than reading it and just look at "pictures" with texts in it. NO feeling at all imo. Well as you said you already know stuffs ahead of me coming in the near future which i will see in the episodes. BUT am i gonna see Orochimaru anymore?
Yes.
You should give it a try at least - read the first few chapters of Naruto, or read the Kakashi arc (google it to find which chapters they are), and see if it's a worthwhile experience. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I used to be like you, I watched the first 220 episodes on Naruto before Shippuuden came out, and then I read the manga while I was waiting. It was awesome.
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Seriously, the anime is not better than the manga, the only thing that makes the anime worth the man hours of work put in it are the fighting scenes.
I just ignore everything in the anime and read the manga, and every 40 episodes or so I download a bunch and watch it skiping to the fights.
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On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so.
+ Show Spoiler +Sasuke was suppressing Orochimaru with his chakra. If you remember that when Sasuke ran out of chakra in his fight with Itachi, Orochimaru reappeared. Orochimaru (like the Kyuubi to Naruto) offered his power to help Sasuke out of the situation, but Sasuke refused, but lost out and those hydras came out. Because he used the last bit of his chakra on that thunderbolt attack on Itachi, he didn't have any to hold Orochimaru down.
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I don't have the patience nor the time to watch the animes anymore :o
Reading the manga is much easier than watching the anime.
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On June 27 2009 04:53 TealLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so. + Show Spoiler +Sasuke was suppressing Orochimaru with his chakra. If you remember that when Sasuke ran out of chakra in his fight with Itachi, Orochimaru reappeared. Orochimaru (like the Kyuubi to Naruto) offered his power to help Sasuke out of the situation, but Sasuke refused, but lost out and those hydras came out. Because he used the last bit of his chakra on that thunderbolt attack on Itachi, he didn't have any to hold Orochimaru down.
+ Show Spoiler +I don't think Orochimaru just escaped Sasuke's bond and decided to help Sasuke, I think if Orochimaru was able to escape and live on he wouldn't fight Itachi for Sasuke's sake (he has been pretty much defeated by Itachi before). I think Sasuke chose to use Orochimaru because he was desperate.
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On June 27 2009 04:59 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:53 TealLurker wrote:On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so. + Show Spoiler +Sasuke was suppressing Orochimaru with his chakra. If you remember that when Sasuke ran out of chakra in his fight with Itachi, Orochimaru reappeared. Orochimaru (like the Kyuubi to Naruto) offered his power to help Sasuke out of the situation, but Sasuke refused, but lost out and those hydras came out. Because he used the last bit of his chakra on that thunderbolt attack on Itachi, he didn't have any to hold Orochimaru down. + Show Spoiler +I don't think Orochimaru just escaped Sasuke's bond and decided to help Sasuke, I think if Orochimaru was able to escape and live on he wouldn't fight Itachi for Sasuke's sake (he has been pretty much defeated by Itachi before). I think Sasuke chose to use Orochimaru because he was desperate.
+ Show Spoiler +True. Sasuke was desperate and Orochimaru was just going to "help" him, but it was just to merely satisfy his own ends. After all, his intention was to possess Sasuke's body somehow. What better opportunity was there than when Itachi drained him of all his chakra? But yeah...we know how this thing turned out...
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On June 27 2009 05:05 TealLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2009 04:59 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:53 TealLurker wrote:On June 27 2009 04:21 fanatacist wrote:On June 27 2009 04:18 rei wrote:
yes, you can think of it as Sasuke has two different stamina just like naruto. His own and Orochimaru's. The differences is that naruto can't control 9tail, but Sasuke can due to his Eyes I don't think that quite makes sense, because Sasuke would then have to be using the sharingan at all times to control Orochimaru, which he doesn't. I think what happened is he basically contained Orochimaru inside him, but not as a power waiting to explode out of him and being held back by a seal or any active restraint, but more like a can that contains water - opening the lid doesn't let the water out, unless you choose to do so. + Show Spoiler +Sasuke was suppressing Orochimaru with his chakra. If you remember that when Sasuke ran out of chakra in his fight with Itachi, Orochimaru reappeared. Orochimaru (like the Kyuubi to Naruto) offered his power to help Sasuke out of the situation, but Sasuke refused, but lost out and those hydras came out. Because he used the last bit of his chakra on that thunderbolt attack on Itachi, he didn't have any to hold Orochimaru down. + Show Spoiler +I don't think Orochimaru just escaped Sasuke's bond and decided to help Sasuke, I think if Orochimaru was able to escape and live on he wouldn't fight Itachi for Sasuke's sake (he has been pretty much defeated by Itachi before). I think Sasuke chose to use Orochimaru because he was desperate. + Show Spoiler +True. Sasuke was desperate and Orochimaru was just going to "help" him, but it was just to merely satisfy his own ends. After all, his intention was to possess Sasuke's body somehow. What better opportunity was there than when Itachi drained him of all his chakra? But yeah...we know how this thing turned out...
+ Show Spoiler +Orochimaru needs energy/control to take over a body as well, so if he were to leave Sasuke's body to fight Itachi, who like I said before has also defeated him before, wouldn't he also be incredibly drained even if he does win? Hence, I see no ulterior motive to Orochimaru's actions in the battle, and I think that Sasuke was in complete control of Orochimaru even when Orochimaru partially left his body. If you think back to the way Orochimaru changed bodies, and the ceremony he tried to do to Sasuke, the bodies of former hosts were in the alternate dimension, sleeping. Sasuke's control over Orochimaru in his body probably put him in the same state - dormant, not showing any signs of breaking free. Also note that Orochimaru was looking to take Sasuke's body to use the Sharingan, so it should logically follow that if the reverse happened (which it did), Sasuke should freely be able to use the abilities of Orochimaru or his entire body at will (because it was inside him).
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I can guarantee you anime guys will never go back to the naruto anime once you start with the manga, its a lot better, anime has gotten really bad lately and the fillers just test my patience...
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Poor Gara, his ganna get shit all over by Sasuke.
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