EPTBecome obscenely wealthy in two decades, buy out every country in the Narutoverse, enact Moon plan with less opposition.
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acker
United States2958 Posts
Become obscenely wealthy in two decades, buy out every country in the Narutoverse, enact Moon plan with less opposition. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 10 2012 16:40 jodogohoo wrote: whoa whoa bro. fake dream world is getting lots of negative cred. =( personally i'd take the fake dream world in a heart beat You become void of free will and your existance merely is a false interpretation of reality. e.e But if you like being essentially a zombie go right ahead. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:01 BlackPaladin wrote: You become void of free will and your existance merely is a false interpretation of reality. e.e But if you like being essentially a zombie go right ahead. But the characters in the narutoverse are already void of free will and are false interpretations of reality. Seems like Obito's master plan is far kinder than Kishimoto's  Of course, Kishimoto is also in control of Obito's master plan, so he's screwed anyways. Can't fight the author. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
so kakashi had mangekyou sharingan for actually like 10 years....then loses to it.... | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:15 saocyn wrote: so let me get this straight, kakashi was in fact the 3rd user to obtain mangekyou sharingan after madara and his brother. we move forward a good 5 to 10 years later which takes place in season 1, itachi appears in konoha and dismantles kakashi....how? so kakashi had mangekyou sharingan for actually like 10 years....then loses to it.... Because we jumped into an alternate universe where Kakashi got MS before timeskip. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:01 BlackPaladin wrote: You become void of free will and your existance merely is a false interpretation of reality. e.e But if you like being essentially a zombie go right ahead. we already don't have free will lol. and our existence is already a false interpretation of reality. well no not really. but... lol. metaphysics, epistemology. history of science and human understanding of reality. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:31 jodogohoo wrote: we already don't have free will lol. and our existence is already a false interpretation of reality. well no not really. but... lol. metaphysics, epistemology. history of science and human understanding of reality. Ok how about this. Now instead of being a plaything of fate/god/nature/etc, you're the plaything of a guy who went apeshit crazy at age 13 because the girl he wanted to fuck got killed by Kakashi instead. Do you REALLY want LAN I mean dreamworld. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18728 Posts
Also Obito: I understand him being imba and use Wooden techniques, but as soon as he got it he masters it perfectly? Yeah sure, Uchicha ftw I guess. And finally why is Kakashi unable to do this? Apparently shifting requires no learning and skill. | ||
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meijin
United States141 Posts
On October 10 2012 16:03 Satire wrote: Yes, but Kakashi was the one who killed Rin - who was the closest person to both of them. Thus Obito didn't actually "kill" anyone to receive his MS. its been established that you don't actually need to kill someone to obtain the mangekyou. you just have to experience a tragic personal loss. the killing your closest friend thing was made up by itachi to fuel sasuke's anger in a contrived attempt to make him stronger. i believe itachi himself did not kill shisui. On October 10 2012 17:15 saocyn wrote: so let me get this straight, kakashi was in fact the 3rd user to obtain mangekyou sharingan after madara and his brother. we move forward a good 5 to 10 years later which takes place in season 1, itachi appears in konoha and dismantles kakashi....how? so kakashi had mangekyou sharingan for actually like 10 years....then loses to it.... kakashi had to train extensively to be able to use the mangekyou. remember uchihas naturally have very large chakra pools and kakashi has mentioned himself that his is relatively small, and using the sharingan alone used to take a toll on him (hence why he keeps it covered when not in use). itachi dismantled kakashi because he's a freakin genius and he has 2 op sharingan where as kakashi only has 1. its also possible that kakashi did not even know of the existence of the mangekyou until itachi awakened his and amaterasu/tsukuyomi became famous. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
All of it feels forced, and kinda retconned. | ||
Sigrun
United States1655 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:34 EtherealDeath wrote: Ok how about this. Now instead of being a plaything of fate/god/nature/etc, you're the plaything of a guy who went apeshit crazy at age 13 because the girl he wanted to fuck got killed by Kakashi instead. Do you REALLY want LAN I mean dreamworld. Obito: the 30 year old virgin gone wrong. I was kind of hoping for some more philosophical save the world type of deal like FMA. :/ but nope...maybe i'm just too old for naruto now. It just seems to be something for teens who get all emotional from a single pimple instead of actually maturing and learning to deal with things. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:52 meijin wrote: kakashi had to train extensively to be able to use the mangekyou. remember uchihas naturally have very large chakra pools and kakashi has mentioned himself that his is relatively small, and using the sharingan alone used to take a toll on him (hence why he keeps it covered when not in use). itachi dismantled kakashi because he's a freakin genius and he has 2 op sharingan where as kakashi only has 1. its also possible that kakashi did not even know of the existence of the mangekyou until itachi awakened his and amaterasu/tsukuyomi became famous. Uchiha's have abnormally powerful ninja like sasuke and madara, those guys have huge chakra pools. Itachi had a low chakra pool. Kakashi has a huge chakra pool but it takes a LOT of chakra for a non-uchiha to use sharingan. I think that kakashi didn't remember his mangekyou just like sasuke didn't remember his 1 tomoe sharingan at age 7. | ||
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TLiquidlove
United States1 Post
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shark.
593 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:07 BlackPaladin wrote: Obito: the 30 year old virgin gone wrong. I was kind of hoping for some more philosophical save the world type of deal like FMA. :/ but nope...maybe i'm just too old for naruto now. It just seems to be something for teens who get all emotional from a single pimple instead of actually maturing and learning to deal with things. I think your missing something. Rin's death was what made Obito believe in Madara's plan of never having losers. The reason he is carrying out the plan is not just because Rin died it is that Rins death made him realize the pain of losing someone. So now he believes in a world where "heroes don't have to cry at gravestones" and such. Tbh from what was shonw in the chapter before flashback city was engaged Obito doesn't seem to care at all about Rin's death anymore. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:20 shark. wrote: I think your missing something. Rin's death was what made Obito believe in Madara's plan of never having losers. The reason he is carrying out the plan is not just because Rin died it is that Rins death made him realize the pain of losing someone. So now he believes in a world where "heroes don't have to cry at gravestones" and such. Tbh from what was shonw in the chapter before flashback city was engaged Obito doesn't seem to care at all about Rin's death anymore. It's more that i poke fun at bad story designs. I perfectly uderstand the reasoning, but i believe it to be immature and single minded. People who can't grow up and deal with problems (such as feeling the loss of loved ones) and instead try to escape into a dream world so they don't need to deal with reality are merely immature. It's a fine symbolic ploy, and when you're young you might be able to relate cause losing those you care for can leave some deep scars. But a part of growing up is dealing with such things. Having a 30 year old man who still thinks so child-like is....disappointing. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18728 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:54 Existential wrote: Before I thought Kakashi should be close to blind after his use of the eye since the timeskip... But now he REALLY should be blind... Kakashi? What about Obito lol | ||
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