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Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 30 2012 03:19 GMT
#10761
Biggest fucking retcon! If Kakashi became a Chunin at 6 years old, which was 24 years ago, and if Anko and Hayate are 23 and 24 years old, then how the fuck are they standing there this chapter???!! Hayate shouldn't even be alive yet.
WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
August 30 2012 03:33 GMT
#10762
A guy that is capable of putting everyone on an entire planet in an illusion turns out to evoke plotholes on the reveal of his identity. Hmmm.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 30 2012 03:35 GMT
#10763
At least the villain turns out to be badass & manly. His half aged face must be due to overuse of kamui or something along the line
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 03:40:50
August 30 2012 03:40 GMT
#10764
his half messed up face is due to it getting crushed by a rock.

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[image loading]
<3 Kim Taeyeon
nimp4344
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia8 Posts
August 30 2012 03:43 GMT
#10765
Or just scars from having a boulder land on it.
The whole Obito's body part reeks of an Orochimaru style soul transfer scenario with the inclusion of a Zetsu restoration to his destroyed body. The scene where hes left arm falls off with goop dripping after Minato owned him makes me suspect it even more. I'm not saying Tobi is Orochimaru, I'm saying I don't believe its solely Obito i believe someone used the Soul transfer jutsu on Obito's body cause if i'm not mistaken when Orochimaru used it before the timeskip he said that a part of the person would live on inside him, which could account for the Obito knowledge of Kakashi.
WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 03:50:42
August 30 2012 03:47 GMT
#10766
On August 30 2012 12:40 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
his half messed up face is due to it getting crushed by a rock.

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[image loading]


If you look at the most recent pictures of Tobi's face in the manga, then the scar that is below his left eye isn't present on any drawing prior where we see that part of his face (removing his mask slightly, shows both his sharingan etc.).

IT IS NOT THAT FAR FETCHED to believe that it looks like Obito, smells like Obito, walks like Obito and could probably even **** like Obito, but it isn't Obito. I wonder about that scroll. For god's sake there is a technique in the naruto world that allows you to revive the dead at the extent of a sacrifice and giant talking frogs. Whatever the reason is it's going to be awesome.

On August 30 2012 12:43 nimp4344 wrote:
Or just scars from having a boulder land on it.
The whole Obito's body part reeks of an Orochimaru style soul transfer scenario with the inclusion of a Zetsu restoration to his destroyed body.


It also reeks of the impure world resurrection technique in a similar circumstance to Madara. I litterally dont want to have to wait a week. Its going to be great.
Fumanchu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada669 Posts
August 30 2012 03:49 GMT
#10767
That last coffin that kabuto rose up, who's in it?
Easy doesnt fit into grownup life.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 30 2012 03:51 GMT
#10768
Umm, does anyone else find it surprising that, ugh, the many many rocks that fell on the rest of his face are not present? Did Kishi forget than the rest of his body was crushed shortly after? I guess he is such a boss that he don't give a fuck about time lines, ages, established facts, or anything like that. He just does whatever the hell.
WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 03:52:24
August 30 2012 03:51 GMT
#10769
On August 30 2012 12:49 Fumanchu wrote:
That last coffin that kabuto rose up, who's in it?

Madara. What about the third one that Orochimaru rose up and was stopped by Hiruzen?

On August 30 2012 12:51 Wrecken wrote:
Umm, does anyone else find it surprising that, ugh, the many many rocks that fell on the rest of his face are not present? Did Kishi forget than the rest of his body was crushed shortly after? I guess he is such a boss that he don't give a fuck about time lines, ages, established facts, or anything like that. He just does whatever the hell.


Again, it's a universe with Gigantic talking frogs. Whatever this reason is it's going to be awesome.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 30 2012 03:52 GMT
#10770
On August 30 2012 12:49 Fumanchu wrote:
That last coffin that kabuto rose up, who's in it?

Madara, how do you not know this?
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 30 2012 03:53 GMT
#10771
On August 30 2012 12:51 WillS wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:49 Fumanchu wrote:
That last coffin that kabuto rose up, who's in it?

Madara. What about the third one that Orochimaru rose up and was stopped by Hiruzen?

That was another huge retcon by Kishi, The 3rd coffin was actually Minato, but he couldn't summon him because Minato's soul was in the death god's belly. However, Kabuto recently said that the Edos have to be prepped 1st, and that the coffin signifies that they can now be summoned at any time. Kishi forgot about what Oro tried or just ignored it.
WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
August 30 2012 03:55 GMT
#10772
On August 30 2012 12:53 Wrecken wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:51 WillS wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:49 Fumanchu wrote:
That last coffin that kabuto rose up, who's in it?

Madara. What about the third one that Orochimaru rose up and was stopped by Hiruzen?

That was another huge retcon by Kishi, The 3rd coffin was actually Minato, but he couldn't summon him because Minato's soul was in the death god's belly. However, Kabuto recently said that the Edos have to be prepped 1st, and that the coffin signifies that they can now be summoned at any time. Kishi forgot about what Oro tried or just ignored it.


Do you have a citation for that?
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 04:01:26
August 30 2012 03:58 GMT
#10773
On August 30 2012 12:55 WillS wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:53 Wrecken wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:51 WillS wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:49 Fumanchu wrote:
That last coffin that kabuto rose up, who's in it?

Madara. What about the third one that Orochimaru rose up and was stopped by Hiruzen?

That was another huge retcon by Kishi, The 3rd coffin was actually Minato, but he couldn't summon him because Minato's soul was in the death god's belly. However, Kabuto recently said that the Edos have to be prepped 1st, and that the coffin signifies that they can now be summoned at any time. Kishi forgot about what Oro tried or just ignored it.


Do you have a citation for that?

Just look it up in narutoforums.com. I have to go, but I will like if I can find it real quick.

Edit: Ok this pretty much explains it all, I will use a spoiler tab.
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I don't know how Kishimoto can retcon this (especially second link):

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v14/c119/13.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v14/c123/13.html

Too bad Kabuto didn't tell what got improved:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v55/c520/13.html

You can tell Tobirama's mindset is something shit, if current great villain calls Nidaime's fruit "atrocity":

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c559/2.html

Oh I understand: ET is not that bad, but if it is that bad, then Tobirama didn't create it.
Kishimoto already retconned Edo Tensei, to the point where there is a plot hole.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v55/c520/11.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v55/c520/13.html

Kabuto says that those sealed away cannot be brought back at all.. And says thats why Orochimaru couldn't use the 4th. That originally wasn't a rule for Edo Tensei, because as you can see in the second link, the host is used for the soul's body, after that, Kabuto can put them in a "coffin" looking thing. If this was a case for Orochimaru, he would have seen Minato not functioning when he prepared the Edo Tensei and not have used him in his fight against Sandaime.

There are already factors that've been retconned dealing with Edo Tensei, it's not hard for Kishimoto to do. That being said, the original facts for Edo Tensei in Part I should not apply to the new information with Nidaime currently, as I said earlier.
WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
August 30 2012 04:08 GMT
#10774
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v13/c117/18.html I can't find a citation for the third coffin being Minato.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
August 30 2012 04:14 GMT
#10775
Wow I doubted all the guys saying he was Obito for so many years. My apologies, I stand corrected...

...But I still think its retarded. Half his body was crushed under a ton of rocks, one eye taken by Kakashi, the other crushed under a rock. The explanation as to how he didn't just croak better be some epic shit because its starting to feel like Kishimoto is taking tips from M Night
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
August 30 2012 04:17 GMT
#10776
Ohhhh shit.

I can't tell whether this is fanservice (I mean come on, this theory was just soooo popular back in the day lol) or whether he truly did intend to do this from the beginning. Holy shit lol.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 30 2012 04:18 GMT
#10777
On August 30 2012 13:08 WillS wrote:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v13/c117/18.html I can't find a citation for the third coffin being Minato.

Refer to the post in my spoiler tag on my previous comment.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
August 30 2012 04:19 GMT
#10778
What chapter is the Obito getting crushed by the rock thing? I'd like to read it because I don't remember that episode from the Anime. I'm prob forgetting it or it was one of the filler episodes from the anime that I skipped.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
August 30 2012 04:20 GMT
#10779
Oro was "sealed" and came back pretty easily. Minato came back momentarily because he stored chakra in a seal. I don't find it *too* farfetched that oro had Minato's chakra somehow.

Whatever. Just grasping at straws I guess.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 30 2012 04:24 GMT
#10780
On August 30 2012 13:08 WillS wrote:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v13/c117/18.html I can't find a citation for the third coffin being Minato.

Here you go, Kabuto confirms that Minato was in the 3rd coffin, thus making a huge retcon.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v55/c520/11.html
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