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Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 24 2019 02:51 GMT
#81
On August 24 2019 11:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:48 Achaian wrote:
ok then

we will never see wisp played again this tournament

It's kind of hilarious how we have a distinct West/East split on wisp though. West teams have wisp strats, East teams do not.


does it not bring back memories of techies and meepo?
Nantrix9
Profile Joined March 2019
32 Posts
August 24 2019 02:51 GMT
#82
LOl I love Secret and waht them to win so they can play the LGD gods, but damn IO is broken. I knew OG was a joke and was being carried by the hero its been proven. OG will get smashed now that the hero has been proven to be broken. Lets go LGD and Secret!!!

OG just plays broken stuff and hopes no one notices haha the gig is up boyz.
woojaekeem
Profile Joined May 2013
United States524 Posts
August 24 2019 02:51 GMT
#83
On August 24 2019 11:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
The real key ban against carry wisp is Elder Titan btw.


has it been picked without it as a laning partner?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
August 24 2019 02:52 GMT
#84
On August 24 2019 11:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:49 woojaekeem wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:46 woojaekeem wrote:
why has no one else picked io 1 so far

is it really that hard for pro carries

you just farm ur timing and run at people with 5 heroes lol

Ana is a better wisp than Jerax.

Nisha has wisp as his one of the most played heroes in competitive.

Basically the only 2 people we saw running core wisp are the only 2 people who even have practice with playing wisp while currently playing carry, period.


these are the best players int he world though

idk

it's clearly broken

I can't believe none of them were willing to say **** it we're going to try abusing this too during a bo3

i agree, i wish other teams tried it earlier/more

Nobody probably considered it until OG played it on the group stages but yeah they should've abused that shit more.
this is a quote
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 24 2019 02:52 GMT
#85
On August 24 2019 11:50 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:47 goody153 wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:46 goody153 wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:45 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:44 goody153 wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
IO is super broken. Literally doesn't matter what happens before he gets his items and then you win

I don't think it is that OP teams still haven't figured it out but they have no time to figure it out now. Just ban it

it is literally the most OP thing in the game as of right now

more OP than tiny aghs because tiny aghs has a later timing

we also said the same thing with naga, alch and tinker before

i never said that same thing with those heroes

though alch in his strongest form was kind of close to that tier tbh

i don't mean you specifically but the same sentiments on alot of the really strong heroes are said the same

i wouldnt have agreed with naga and tinker at any point

with alch, plenty of teams tried counters and failed, to the point of watching teams fail to shut down alch and lose was like a very common thing

why i said everybody said the same thing you are saying to the hero at some point

it is even more apparent for this case considering only two teams are running the IO carry as their is time to figure out how to beat an IO timing play

eventually all the most OP shit even the tinker that can farm ancient and has the instant eblade was still beatable before after awhile of everybody dying to that hero

tinker was just nowhere close to this level

io is so much harder to kill and pumps out so much more damage and sustain and is so much more mobile in terms of pure movespeed

no other "op" hero has felt like an inevitable 20-25minute stomp on this level
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2019 02:52 GMT
#86
On August 24 2019 11:51 Achaian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:48 Achaian wrote:
ok then

we will never see wisp played again this tournament

It's kind of hilarious how we have a distinct West/East split on wisp though. West teams have wisp strats, East teams do not.


does it not bring back memories of techies and meepo?

Definitely brings memories of TI5 techies.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
August 24 2019 02:52 GMT
#87
On August 24 2019 11:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
The real key ban against carry wisp is Elder Titan btw.

And then they just pick ogre
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 24 2019 02:52 GMT
#88
So if you're VG right now, what do you first-phase ban against secret? wisp, rubick (yapzor is god on rubick), and...?
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 24 2019 02:53 GMT
#89
One would think that every team would know what is op and what sucks when playing for infinity money
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
August 24 2019 02:53 GMT
#90
Did VG not study any OG games from their own group stage?

How do you not go on IO in the laning stages and let the one you are targeting have double regen.

How do you let IO just free farm jungle after the initial laning stage.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-24 02:53:47
August 24 2019 02:53 GMT
#91
On August 24 2019 11:52 Shergal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
The real key ban against carry wisp is Elder Titan btw.

And then they just pick ogre

Ogre does not have Natural order.

On August 24 2019 11:52 Achaian wrote:
So if you're VG right now, what do you first-phase ban against secret? wisp, rubick (yapzor is god on rubick), and...?

You ban wisp and first phase void, so that yapzor can chrono his team again.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 24 2019 02:53 GMT
#92
Level 15 Aghs Io is by far the strongest timing in the game. Jesus fuck, how strong is that D:

Also, Lacoste's suit/outfit is straight fire today!
super gg
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 24 2019 02:54 GMT
#93
On August 24 2019 11:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:52 Shergal wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
The real key ban against carry wisp is Elder Titan btw.

And then they just pick ogre

Ogre does not have Natural order.


true, but he is sick nasty in lane with a wisp. And he brings the ding ding ding later on.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 24 2019 02:54 GMT
#94
On August 24 2019 11:53 gostunv wrote:
Did VG not study any OG games from their own group stage?

How do you not go on IO in the laning stages and let the one you are targeting have double regen.

How do you let IO just free farm jungle after the initial laning stage.

no team has been ever able to hard shutdown a 1 in this ti meta as far as ive watched, outside of complete stomps

defending a carry's ability to farm is quite easy with most lineups in this meta
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 24 2019 02:54 GMT
#95
On August 24 2019 11:51 woojaekeem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
The real key ban against carry wisp is Elder Titan btw.


has it been picked without it as a laning partner?

It's not really the laning partner so much as the spirit amplifying magic damage at a distance later in the game. ET being a strong laner is nice, but that's not why he's being picked.
woojaekeem
Profile Joined May 2013
United States524 Posts
August 24 2019 02:54 GMT
#96
On August 24 2019 11:54 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:51 woojaekeem wrote:
On August 24 2019 11:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
The real key ban against carry wisp is Elder Titan btw.


has it been picked without it as a laning partner?

It's not really the laning partner so much as the spirit amplifying magic damage at a distance later in the game. ET being a strong laner is nice, but that's not why he's being picked.


it's both lol
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2019 02:55 GMT
#97
On August 24 2019 11:51 woojaekeem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 11:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
The real key ban against carry wisp is Elder Titan btw.


has it been picked without it as a laning partner?

Not even once.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
August 24 2019 02:59 GMT
#98
Its so dumb when "all heroes were picked" is made to imply the meta isn't stale. Mate if the games revolve around the same 20 heroes with exceptional additions, it doesn't fucking matter that one team picked riki 1 time.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-24 03:03:11
August 24 2019 03:00 GMT
#99
On August 24 2019 11:59 Shergal wrote:
Its so dumb when "all heroes were picked" is made to imply the meta isn't stale. Mate if the games revolve around the same 20 heroes with exceptional additions, it doesn't fucking matter that one team picked riki 1 time.

20? Feels like meta so far revolves about like 10 heroes: SD, ET, Void, Gyro, Alchemist, Void, Enchantress, Tiny and now Wisp.

EDIT: Oh, i forgot tide, of course.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Damned627
Profile Joined November 2016
Indonesia264 Posts
August 24 2019 03:01 GMT
#100
On August 24 2019 11:51 Nantrix9 wrote:
LOl I love Secret and waht them to win so they can play the LGD gods, but damn IO is broken. I knew OG was a joke and was being carried by the hero its been proven. OG will get smashed now that the hero has been proven to be broken. Lets go LGD and Secret!!!

OG just plays broken stuff and hopes no one notices haha the gig is up boyz.


Lol imagine hating this hard on a play-for-fun team.
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