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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 07:36:54
April 09 2014 07:18 GMT
#16541
On April 09 2014 09:29 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 02:51 govie wrote:
i have been randoming for a while too diversify my heropool a bit. I came accros bloodseeker and i really sucked with that guy, i used the searchfunction but it didnt gave me much results or i missed it. So, i did some research on datdota and the pro's dont seem to have reached consensus about this guy in 6.80. Some items i have seen in the last 6 promatches in 6.80 with bloodseeka : PT, phaseboots, radiance, drums, forcestaff, S&Y, manta, butterblies, vangaurd, shadowblade, drums, bkb, dagon, blademail.

So, my questions :

1. What skillorder seems best?
2. What items should i mostly go for?
3. When do you rush a radiance? (as this seems a wierd item for a bloodseeker)
4. When do you rush a blademail? (as this seems a wierd item for a bloodseeker)

Purely from looking at Wagas stream a bit (he seems to like bloodseeker) he seems to favour stat items that makes you tankier while giving you a bit of damage. It kinda makes sense though since you'll never be that run-in-and-wreck-shit-hero that just slay stuff in seconds. To actually be able to hit stuff you need to tank up. Thats the reason for blademail, you just get focused down and/or kited if you build for raw damage.

I think his go-to build was something along the lines of Treads->Drums->Blademail->SnY->Mjollnir. BKB if needed. All kinda semi-tank/semi-dmg items. It seems reasonable to me too. Hitting a blademail + eventually mjollnir bloodseeker is something you need to think twice about before you do.

Dagon and Force aer pub stomp items (feel free if you wanna have a bit of fun). Vanguard is wasted 875g because he doesnt need the regen.

And dont go radiance. Please.


Thank you. I am gonna try this itembuild! Must be good because wagamama is god of pro's and lesser mortals tight!?

On April 09 2014 03:17 Firebolt145 wrote:
More of a Bloodseeker discussion thread than a SQ/SA question: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/dota-2-strategy/446619-hero-bloodseeker


I know, but i dont like bumping old threads. If any admins believes these posts are better suited for that old thread they may replace them ofcourse.
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
April 09 2014 07:51 GMT
#16542
Is there a special way to play Nature's Prophet when matched up vs Antimage?
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
April 09 2014 08:44 GMT
#16543
On April 09 2014 16:18 govie wrote:
Thank you. I am gonna try this itembuild! Must be good because wagamama is god of pro's and lesser mortals tight!?

He seems to be doing well enough at least. Im terrible at dotabuff but got this at least:

http://dotabuff.com/players/32995405/matches?date=&faction=&hero=bloodseeker&lobby_type=&game_mode=&duration=
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 09:10:05
April 09 2014 09:07 GMT
#16544
On April 09 2014 17:44 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 16:18 govie wrote:
Thank you. I am gonna try this itembuild! Must be good because wagamama is god of pro's and lesser mortals tight!?

He seems to be doing well enough at least. Im terrible at dotabuff but got this at least:

http://dotabuff.com/players/32995405/matches?date=&faction=&hero=bloodseeker&lobby_type=&game_mode=&duration=


Is there a reason too not go for a skadi instead of a S&Y as a 4th item in that itemorder?
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
April 09 2014 09:45 GMT
#16545
Dont ask me :p

Better buildup for SnY maybe? Or for the movespeed? Dno.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 11:43:02
April 09 2014 11:41 GMT
#16546
On April 09 2014 16:51 llIH wrote:
Is there a special way to play Nature's Prophet when matched up vs Antimage?

Do you feel the need for a "special way" to play here; if so, why?
You might consider rushing orchid (or hex if you get a great start) and to make ganking him much easier; best tell your teammates to gank him at the second you finish the item. Other than that, dont give him much space, and push fast. I think even standard play from furion is already countering antimage to quite a good extend.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 09 2014 14:38 GMT
#16547
On April 09 2014 18:45 Kreb wrote:
Dont ask me :p

Better buildup for SnY maybe? Or for the movespeed? Dno.

Bloodseeker really likes having the Yasha and Skadi is pretty unappealing to a hero that doesn't need that much mana.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 14:42:29
April 09 2014 14:41 GMT
#16548
On April 09 2014 18:45 Kreb wrote:
Dont ask me :p

Better buildup for SnY maybe? Or for the movespeed? Dno.


I tried your itembuild and i went 30 13 4 and won the game with a feeding coptor 2 17 on my team. Only remark is that bkb felt a bit late as 6th item (i got focussed down with bursts). So, ill trade the bkb with the molnjir next time and see if that works better for me

Thx man, was an awesome game with an awesome itembuild. Gonna play this build alot more.
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red_hq
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
April 09 2014 19:21 GMT
#16549
BKB is always situational: if the enemy team has few nukes or stuns you can be proactive with silence but if their lineup can stun for days a bkb is a good investment. Don't blindly stick to a single build be sure to adapt based on the current game.

On another note I can never figure out when to buy necrobook or how to use it. On what heros and against which lineups should I buy it? When I do buy it I'm never sure if i should push with it or fight with it and whichever I do it always feels lackluster.

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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 19:49:38
April 09 2014 19:46 GMT
#16550
On April 10 2014 04:21 red_hq wrote:
BKB is always situational: if the enemy team has few nukes or stuns you can be proactive with silence but if their lineup can stun for days a bkb is a good investment. Don't blindly stick to a single build be sure to adapt based on the current game.

On another note I can never figure out when to buy necrobook or how to use it. On what heros and against which lineups should I buy it? When I do buy it I'm never sure if i should push with it or fight with it and whichever I do it always feels lackluster.



Necrobook never really seems to drop off, but it certainly is especially useful when gotten earlier. Where I get the most use out of it is when I'm playing a flexible hero that can get necrobook as a 1st or 2nd major item pretty early. Maybe I'm wrong, but I really like the supportive necrobook on someone like Phoenix or Venomancer for example since they don't really have hard item requirements so aren't sacrificing something badly needed. (Same would apply to many other supports as well, but others have more difficult item trade-offs).

With Phoenix for example I can go tranq boots -> mek -> necro and have the necro contribute greatly to mid game teamfights (which Phoenix already contributes greatly to) and will usually do so if I feel like my team is at a disadvantage in pushing against the other team, but otherwise stronger in team fights.

I always found necrobook to just shine in either split pushing or dedicated team efforts. So either I want to be someone like NP/Lycan who can push solo, but annihilates towers fast with the support or I want to be a hero that really wants to force teamfights (pushing with necro units as a team) and can help take those fights. Uh my crappy/basic usage in a teamfight is usually try to burn mana of someone then keep archer alive while putting the melee necro unit on someone squishy who will take a lot of damage by killing or tanking the unit (or waste a lot of time running away).
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Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-10 02:41:04
April 10 2014 02:40 GMT
#16551
I want to hear some item builds that will be effective for team fights early in the game for Void. Is it like this?
Threads, Magic Wand into BKB?

Please give me your suggestions.

I'd go poor man's shield, threads, ring of health into battlefury and it usually works (because enemy team allows me to LOL)
You can take the lion out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the lion
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 10 2014 02:47 GMT
#16552
A) Its Treads not Threads (no "h")
B) Treads, Poor Man's Shield, Mask of Madness is your cheapest teamfight contribution option. BKB is always situational on void since u can often chrono the disablers. Next option would be maelstrom
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-10 02:52:05
April 10 2014 02:50 GMT
#16553
Treads -> MoM is good for pick offs to Maelstrom(farming)/Crit(deeps)
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 10 2014 03:18 GMT
#16554
It's hard to be a teamfight threat on Void outside of just ulting before 2-3 items.

If you want to make early pressure, it's largely gank/solo kill pressure, which, as mentioned, MoM is good for.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 10 2014 06:43 GMT
#16555
I just realized sa can get the blink strike damage without revealing himself, and i'm trying to figure out how much that affects his value and ability to kill people midgame. any thoughts?
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
April 10 2014 07:31 GMT
#16556
On April 10 2014 15:43 zlefin wrote:
I just realized sa can get the blink strike damage without revealing himself, and i'm trying to figure out how much that affects his value and ability to kill people midgame. any thoughts?

120 dmg every 5 seconds...........
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
April 10 2014 08:31 GMT
#16557
How can I win a game. When a guy calls safe lane carry with Invoker...
602907697

Would love to know what we could have done better. I felt I was the only one who defended towers. Had to buy wards to secure jungle vision. (I played my worst game in a long time)
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 10 2014 08:36 GMT
#16558
my long-term solution: play CM

lessens the stupid picks (5 carries/ mountain profit / TB / can ban lycan etc)

it takes more time but more fun rather than waste your time
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
April 10 2014 09:46 GMT
#16559
This game too.
I really dont know how to handle games like this. People diving us t2 early in game. While they have a naga siren farming behind it.
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
April 10 2014 11:54 GMT
#16560
This isn't really the thread for replay analysis unless you have a specific moment
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