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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 04 2014 17:09 GMT
#16461
Haven't tested but you'd probably need at least level 5 on tree whereas the ursa would likely be looking to do it before tree got that (depending on how the game is progressing, tree can level brutally slowly). Tree just walking in and tanking for ursa would be just as or more effective
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 04 2014 17:12 GMT
#16462
On April 05 2014 02:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Haven't tested but you'd probably need at least level 5 on tree whereas the ursa would likely be looking to do it before tree got that (depending on how the game is progressing, tree can level brutally slowly). Tree just walking in and tanking for ursa would be just as or more effective


Roshan hit destroys illusions so maybe it could also dispel the tree armour with 1 hit, thats why i asked, thx!
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 04 2014 17:13 GMT
#16463
No, rosh hit doesn't destroy illusions. Illusions disappear as soon as they begin an attack targetting rosh (important distinction) so you can actually tank rosh just fine with illusions if you move-command them onto him.
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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
April 04 2014 18:37 GMT
#16464
Thinking of learning some Clinkz - any tips/tricks?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 18:48:21
April 04 2014 18:43 GMT
#16465
Before feederbolt tells you to go to the clinkz thread,

1) Tier 1 towers don't have BD protection. Backdoor them. Seriously.
2) When your ult wears off, you keep your current NUMERICAL health. So if ur at say 800/1600 and ur ult wears off, u end up at 800/800 full life. So you can tank damage with ur ult up and it just goes away. This makes soul ring kinda legit.
3) Manually casting your W on enemy heroes doesn't draw creep aggro.
4) Midgame, Farm their jungle. Not only do you restrict their farm space, but you also leave more space for your team. Once you are ~11 with an orchid or even just like treads/soulring they have to dedicate a lot of resources to properly flush you out of their jungle.

E: 5) In fights, COME FROM BEHIND. If they engage on you you won't survive or do anything. You need to be killing that squishy cm who just cast all her shit and has 700 HP not getting blown up by that big manly centaur who jumps on you and does ninety-billion magic damage.
Double E: afaik there is no clinkz thread ur safe
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 04 2014 19:09 GMT
#16466
is team mass dom helm push viable, in general?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 04 2014 19:13 GMT
#16467
Not really. First of all, thats almost 10,000 net worth dedicated to HoDs, and most of the heroes won't be right clicking very much.
Next, its easy to counter by the other team investing in midas/HoDs of their own (if you dominate 5 creeps, I only need to dominate 2 of yours to make it 3-2 aka virtually even).
Last, you might as well just grab a chen since he's like 3 HoDs. And we all know how fast chen falls off.

Mek + Pipe + Necrobook are all better for pushing, gold for gold, in general.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
April 04 2014 19:16 GMT
#16468
On April 05 2014 04:09 zlefin wrote:
is team mass dom helm push viable, in general?

Not unless you're stomping and wanna have fun. Theres no reason to go hotd over Necro books if you wanna go mass summon pushing. Dont forget the mek+urn+maybe pipe+maybe vlad for early pushing either.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 13:39:07
April 05 2014 13:38 GMT
#16469
How do I encourage my team to gank hard carries? I am having problems gathering people to gank enemy carries. Do you guys have any good suggestions? (Not hero picks, but the way to start ganks)
The situation I usually get in is that only me is looking after their carry. And my team is farming - when the enemy has a much better late game setup) Or camping mid / eg. stare-down.

In many situations I am not strong enough to gank a carry alone. Usually I am support. Other times the enemy carry has good starting farm.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 05 2014 14:05 GMT
#16470
On April 05 2014 22:38 llIH wrote:
How do I encourage my team to gank hard carries? I am having problems gathering people to gank enemy carries. Do you guys have any good suggestions? (Not hero picks, but the way to start ganks)
The situation I usually get in is that only me is looking after their carry. And my team is farming - when the enemy has a much better late game setup) Or camping mid / eg. stare-down.

In many situations I am not strong enough to gank a carry alone. Usually I am support. Other times the enemy carry has good starting farm.


If you're not lone support, then everything is possible.
Smokes and proper warding can help.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 05 2014 14:26 GMT
#16471
If your team flat out refuses to stop farming then you're just kinda hosed. Usually you need your jungle or your mid to go with you otherwise you're wasting your time. What you can do instead is gank their mid (who is way more likely to be alone) which frees up your mid to rotate. If your mid is a shadow fiend naga or other farming type mid hero they won't leave the lane in all likelihood no matter what.
StaraCroft
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 14:31:09
April 05 2014 14:29 GMT
#16472
Yesterday I received an abandon and a loss for a ranked game that was abandoned (not dc, abandoned) by a player during picking phase, so I left too. They apparently played it out and it now counts as an abandon and I get -25 points. What's happening there?
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disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 14:38:18
April 05 2014 14:38 GMT
#16473
Wins/losses are still recorded even if there is an abandon. If your team loses or wins when there is an abandon on either side, the result still counts. Your team apparently lost.
this game is a fucking jokie
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 05 2014 14:45 GMT
#16474
As for you getting an abandon, that shouldn't have happened unless he was part of your party
StaraCroft
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria292 Posts
April 05 2014 15:28 GMT
#16475
On April 05 2014 23:38 disco wrote:
Wins/losses are still recorded even if there is an abandon. If your team loses or wins when there is an abandon on either side, the result still counts. Your team apparently lost.

Is that new?
That seems stupid. So I have to play out a game that's purely a waste of time if I don't want to loose mmr and receive an abandon?
I was solo that game, still got an abandon even though I abandoned after the guy on the other team had left already
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 05 2014 15:37 GMT
#16476
Well if it's an early abandon it shouldn't count for your record or mmr. Dunno why that happened in your situation unless you misread the text and he didn't actually abandon before you left
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
April 05 2014 16:02 GMT
#16477
On April 06 2014 00:28 StaraCroft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 23:38 disco wrote:
Wins/losses are still recorded even if there is an abandon. If your team loses or wins when there is an abandon on either side, the result still counts. Your team apparently lost.

Is that new?
That seems stupid. So I have to play out a game that's purely a waste of time if I don't want to loose mmr and receive an abandon?
I was solo that game, still got an abandon even though I abandoned after the guy on the other team had left already


You're going to lose mmr anyway. You shouldn't have gotten the abandon if things went as you said.

In the end it's just one game.
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
April 05 2014 19:06 GMT
#16478
Why did OD drop out of the meta? Rarely see him lately...
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 05 2014 19:39 GMT
#16479
On April 06 2014 04:06 BoZiffer wrote:
Why did OD drop out of the meta? Rarely see him lately...

I think it's because heroes need to enter action way earlier now than in previous patch. OD was very good in a passive 0 1 3 + 1 wood as he could really crush his lane and offer a strong midgame with good lategame followup but he really needs those 10 minutes AFK farming. He's also relatively vulnerable to ganks and is weak when behind.. We still see him here and there. I'm also surprised we don't see him more as a last pick against melee heroes like ember or naga. Surely some people can explain it better than me.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 21:14:58
April 05 2014 21:14 GMT
#16480
On April 06 2014 04:06 BoZiffer wrote:
Why did OD drop out of the meta? Rarely see him lately...


Does he? OD can't be put in every composition, like, let's say, Puck, Invoker or Storm Spirit, that's it. And he's very item-dependant.
Mushi is still playing it occassionally for example, nothing changed in this part.

+ OD is very immobile hero, that's very big deal in current fotm when supports roam even in pub.
+ Tranquils/buckler nerf for essence shift really hurt him, so if you're not getting enough rng luck, no way you will dominate as last summer/autumn.

Usually you go like midas/force staff/hex/bkb right now, but before midas/force staff OD is basically useless, except for some accidental explosions when he has 100 intelligence and his opponent has 1.
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