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Excludos
Norway8277 Posts
On February 13 2014 18:51 Qbek wrote: The key to being wise is never saying anything stupid Oh sorry i'm just in a philosophical mood The key to never saying anything stupid is to never speak. Lets keep this going  | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On February 13 2014 18:59 Excludos wrote: The key to never saying anything stupid is to never speak. Lets keep this going Keys give hats. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
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hrough
Germany212 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On February 13 2014 06:39 Logo wrote: Well isn't there room for builds like 2 points in Take Aim, 1 in headshot -> Shrapnel max (and ult of course)? Even 1 level in take aim gives you 650 range now which is an ok-ish margin over the standard nuke range and 200 at level 2 seems like it'd be decently comparable to the 240 of the old level 3 (or even better the 225 of pre-6.79 lvl 3 take aim). Idk it seems like with the buffs to take aim there's way more room for sniper's to take shrapnel early. Also headshot seems worthwhile to skill up mostly vs characters with evasion since headshot procs cannot be evaded. (Though you'd still probably skill it up last). It is all situational. The very first key item for sniper is highly dependent on the lane, most of time it should be a sobi mask when you are unchallenged on the lane -> with the correct timing of using shrapnel, you will take down the T1 tower before 8/9mins, and of course you max shrapnel in that case; otherwise get phaseboots asap with maxing headshot/range depends on your preference, while icefrog did specifically tell people that you shouldn't max headshot before range after patch. Getting headshot at lvl1 is the standard though. | ||
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
1, how do you know that? 2, what does it matter? You get a random item either way and have no way of knowing. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8277 Posts
On February 14 2014 06:24 Belisarius wrote: Well. 1, how do you know that? 2, what does it matter? You get a random item either way and have no way of knowing. We can't know it, but its one of those "eliminate the impossible" situations. It would be impossibly stupid for them to program the item to be in it before you open it, both increasing client and server load(by a margin), as well as creating the chance of someone exploiting some kind of loophole to find out whats in them before opening them. Not to mention it would simply even take longer program it. There is absolutely no way they would do this. And yes, it doesn't matter either way for you and me. | ||
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Clegane
Germany110 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On February 15 2014 00:25 Clegane wrote: Dumb Question: How do I split up stacks of Items? I can't find the the key to do it. Most stacked items can't be split. With wards you can give one to an ally by activating it on his hero. That's about it. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On February 15 2014 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote: Most stacked items can't be split. With wards you can give one to an ally by activating it on his hero. That's about it. Tangos too. | ||
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Clegane
Germany110 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
Because euls+zeus felt potent, I am currently trying euls first on timbersaw. Timbersaw is a str hero which makes things a little more complicated. But Timbersaw has timberchain as an escape like weaver has suchuchi. Therefore movementspeed feels less important then manaregen/pool to spam spells to flee, catch up or to farm faster. My idea was to go euls+HoT instead of bloodstone. I hope that euls+hot offers more potential then a standard bloodstonebuild. This because you get 3k earlier timings to be annoying. It could be potent. Now for my questions, 1. does euls first on timber seem viable or have u tried it? 2. Am i overlooking other/better alternatives for timbersaw with euls first? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On February 14 2014 03:33 Sn0_Man wrote: Its generated at the point of opening. You can see this with some New Bloom/Wraith Night lockless chests that drop an Auspicious/Frozen version of an item. They literally just drop items from the current drop table, hence people who have kept their Wraith Night chests have been getting frozen versions of the new bloom items. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On February 15 2014 06:01 govie wrote: There was a discussion on TL about bootless weaver (suchuchi), apparantly this seemed viable by this forum in some circumstances. That gave me an idea of euls instead of boots on hero's that would benefit more from reliable manapool/regen+purge instead of 10 ms. So I started trying euls first on zeus. Zeus, even with TP boots is quite slow, so it felt like it didnt really matter which boots he gets early, he will allways be a snail compared to other hero's. Euls first on zeus felt viable because i could flashfarm/arras constantly after euls. I had a pretty easy time getting an aghs+refresher (flashfarming zeus feels like a carry+midas). The active saved me a couple of times in those games. It feels it could work. Because euls+zeus felt potent, I am currently trying euls first on timbersaw. Timbersaw is a str hero which makes things a little more complicated. But Timbersaw has timberchain as an escape like weaver has suchuchi. Therefore movementspeed feels less important then manaregen/pool to spam spells to flee, catch up or to farm faster. My idea was to go euls+HoT instead of bloodstone. I hope that euls+hot offers more potential then a standard bloodstonebuild. This because you get 3k earlier timings to be annoying. It could be potent. Now for my questions, 1. does euls first on timber seem viable or have u tried it? 2. Am i overlooking other/better alternatives for timbersaw with euls first? timbersaw is usually solo offlane, the second you get your boots you are a happy man. Boots cost 450 euls is 2700 if the enemy team is doing their job well you are happy if you ever reach lvl 3 in the offlane. Timberchain is not a very reliable escape because it can be interrupted. So no, it doesn't seem even remotely viable on timbersaw. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Eul's is situationally useful on Zeus, but as an addition to Boots, not instead of them. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
What about Io, Windrunner, Storm Spirit, Abaddon, or Omniknight? All have some appreciable mana usage and either have good escape options or aren't really the type to be caught out in a situation where movespeed is going to make or break anything (Omni/Abaddon). Still seems like a silly idea though. I thought the point of it on weaver had to do with how he can max out his slots pretty early with other stuff. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
There's not a single hero in the game where I'd say as a general point that movespeed doesn't matter and you should skip boots. There are a few heroes where I might situationally do so, but that's pretty much exclusively on carries that can freefarm a major item and not go to fights so skipping boots lets you get that item faster. I would never skip boots on a hero that expects to actually be in fights. Comparing Boots to a completed major item just doesn't work because you get the effect of boots MS the moment you spend that first 450 gold, and it immediately benefits you in every scenario from there on out. The only heroes that farm 3k+ gold in items before being in a situation where boots MS matters are hard carries that are put in a 100% free lane. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
My "euls brainfart" tries to make the early euls work a bit similar like an early midas. You take in account that you will have to position yourself somewhat more defensively/passively in the earlygame too gain a certain advantage with the euls after 7:30/8:00. Ofcourse, i am unsure at this time that euls first will work fine on even 1 particular hero. But, I enjoy testing stuff/ideas/builds and finetuning them if i for some reason see some potential. Euls is a good item for adding another layer of complexity to a teamfight as most enemies tend to overlook the euls active. | ||
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