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MrMedic
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada452 Posts
January 25 2014 05:01 GMT
#15161
How do you actually improve in Dota, I have no idea on how to get better. Just by playing a bunch?
crc
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia256 Posts
January 25 2014 05:40 GMT
#15162
Just started playing dota 2, after watching lots of pro games. And my low MMR AP games has a lot of 4 or 5 carry line ups, sometimes even dual laning two carries. Which is obviously not ideal, but how do I punish that? What heroes, and what kind of playstyle?
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
January 25 2014 06:13 GMT
#15163
Any strong laners will punish that. Stuns, spammable skills, knowing how to right click without taking creep aggro. Also be sure to check the amount of regen that the enemies have. If you do it right they won't be able to approach the creep wave without trading poorly at best with you.

Supports do amazing in lane as a general rule. And pushing is really strong because no one really knows how to farm. CM, venomancer, alchemist generally do really well in these (provided you can trust your team to farm behind the lane win).
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 25 2014 06:28 GMT
#15164
On January 25 2014 14:01 MrMedic wrote:
How do you actually improve in Dota, I have no idea on how to get better. Just by playing a bunch?


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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 25 2014 07:38 GMT
#15165
Windranger vs Gyrocopter in mid. Who will win the lane?
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
January 25 2014 07:48 GMT
#15166
pretty sure windrunner wins that match up pretty easily, gyro has kinda weak base attack wr should be able to out last hit him, and there are going to be times where u have to chose (do i last hit this creep to get gold or deny one to stop him getting it) but with a nuke, like power shot u just nuke urs and deny his.
The only thing i guess you would have to worry about is him flaking to harass you but shouldnt be enough, especially if u get ur bottle.
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eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
January 25 2014 08:49 GMT
#15167
On January 25 2014 12:53 idonthinksobro wrote:
always have massive mana problems with windrunner (even with basilius) early and midgame what is a good way of getting mana on her assuming i want a fast mek as first big item and mobility item second.

casual voidstone? bottle?


I get soul ring, it's surprisingly effective. If your getting mek anyway you have the regen to support it
6 poll is a good skill toi have
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
January 25 2014 08:53 GMT
#15168
I disagree with soul ring because you don't have the HP pool to support it. Definitely think bottle-crowing or even Arcanes if you don't have other Arcane carriers on the team.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8916 Posts
January 25 2014 09:17 GMT
#15169
just get your force staff. you dont need to make a pit stop in between. i like to go phase mek force all the time on wr and i dont have mana issues. youre spamming your skills too much or fights are occurring way more often than usual. if its the latter then just make sure youre coming ahead and youll be fine.
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
January 25 2014 09:28 GMT
#15170
On January 25 2014 18:17 evilfatsh1t wrote:
just get your force staff. you dont need to make a pit stop in between. i like to go phase mek force all the time on wr and i dont have mana issues. youre spamming your skills too much or fights are occurring way more often than usual. if its the latter then just make sure youre coming ahead and youll be fine.


a situation from my last game, i push a tower with my ult, suddenly a teamfight mid, i tp mid get a powershot and mek off and suddenly out of mana. And this just happens all the time, you get off 1 or 2 abilities and you are out of mana, but windrunner could do so much more if there was just a bigger mana pool or better mana reg or something.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8916 Posts
January 25 2014 09:30 GMT
#15171
well your problem was quite easy to identify. you dont use focus fire unless youre absolutely sure you have mana left over. some wr players skip focus fire entirely if they are playing 4/5 role, the damage you get out of it isnt much better than simply right clicking, kiting and changing targets.
focus fire is only good on wr if you can get some damage items on her (mkb,daedulus, divine), otherwise its just a luxury skill. dont get into the habit of using it nor relying on it too much.
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
January 25 2014 09:53 GMT
#15172
So if you are offlane early you want to spam powershot for last hits, after 2 or 3 powershots you are out of mana already, if you compare that to most other nukes it is rather bad. In general i think windrunner is just a really weak offlaner compared to bristle, clockwerk, timbersaw, bounty hunter or even a furion.

I picked up the ult at lvl 10 and 11 this is fairly standard. So i stand in front of a tower with creeps to tank it we have vision of the enemy team and you tell me i shouldn't use my ult on the tower because they could start a teamfight in mid and if i tp there to help out i don't have enough mana?

i think it is rather a problem with the mana pool / regeneration on the hero and if you go standard phase/mek/forcestaff it just isn't enough.
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 10:01:37
January 25 2014 09:59 GMT
#15173
On January 25 2014 18:28 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 18:17 evilfatsh1t wrote:
just get your force staff. you dont need to make a pit stop in between. i like to go phase mek force all the time on wr and i dont have mana issues. youre spamming your skills too much or fights are occurring way more often than usual. if its the latter then just make sure youre coming ahead and youll be fine.


a situation from my last game, i push a tower with my ult, suddenly a teamfight mid, i tp mid get a powershot and mek off and suddenly out of mana. And this just happens all the time, you get off 1 or 2 abilities and you are out of mana, but windrunner could do so much more if there was just a bigger mana pool or better mana reg or something.


That's why I get soul ring. While you don't have the hp to spam it in lane, it gives you the burst mana to mek/PowerShot for kills/shackle/escape. It sounds weird, but its been working for me.
6 poll is a good skill toi have
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8916 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 10:31:08
January 25 2014 10:30 GMT
#15174
On January 25 2014 18:53 idonthinksobro wrote:
So if you are offlane early you want to spam powershot for last hits, after 2 or 3 powershots you are out of mana already, if you compare that to most other nukes it is rather bad. In general i think windrunner is just a really weak offlaner compared to bristle, clockwerk, timbersaw, bounty hunter or even a furion.

I picked up the ult at lvl 10 and 11 this is fairly standard. So i stand in front of a tower with creeps to tank it we have vision of the enemy team and you tell me i shouldn't use my ult on the tower because they could start a teamfight in mid and if i tp there to help out i don't have enough mana?

i think it is rather a problem with the mana pool / regeneration on the hero and if you go standard phase/mek/forcestaff it just isn't enough.

are you against a trilane? if not there is no reason for you to spam powershot for cs. you can trade hits very effectively against 1 support, and windrun makes you near unkillable against a duo lane. you should only powershot for creeps in cases where youll miss a creep with right click AND you can hit the opponent with it. if you can get cs as a clock, timber and bounty in any offlane, you can definitely get cs with a windrunner. again, windrunners mana pool and regen isnt the problem. you just need to practice not relying on skills so much and more on your mechanics and positioning.
and yes, dont focus fire a tower down just because you can. if its low enough that you can destroy it, destroy it with normal attacks. if its too high that you feel the need to focus fire it, dont make it your aim to bring the tower down at all and make sure youre there for the fight.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 10:45:19
January 25 2014 10:42 GMT
#15175
What is the idea behind maxing arrow first on mirana? (Which most of the players in my games seem to do)
I feel that it scales rather bad, with only the damage increasing. I feel like a the effect of a mirana arrow on lvl 1 or lvl 4 isnt much different; it gives you a kill if you have the follow-up, or it doesnt (of course there are some exceptions, like sniping heroes at the back of the fight).
If you can leap in and have the points in starstorm instead, you essentially deal the same damage (ok it costs much more mana, maybe this is the reason?), but starstorm gives you greater utility and better (counter-)pushing from my point of view.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8916 Posts
January 25 2014 11:46 GMT
#15176
the only time i would max arrow over starfall is if im playing a roaming/support mirana. the whole idea behind ganks when roaming with mirana is you MUST land arrow. if youre going to hit an arrow you might as well make it deal as much damage as possible, and save mana on starfall. roaming miranas dont have the item progression to allow them to spam skills, and although bottle is common it doesnt guarantee you mana. if however, it is a carry potm then theres no sense in maxing arrow first. starfall does more damage and allows for flash farming
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 25 2014 15:03 GMT
#15177
I've seen two points in arrow before maxing starfall on more than one occasion. The logic behind that is mana related and also that a level 1 starfall does almost no damage, only beating the point in arrow if you hit them with both stars. (This works by level 1/2 leap/arrow level 3 arrow then starfall max with ult at 6).
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 15:06:06
January 25 2014 15:05 GMT
#15178
On January 25 2014 18:53 idonthinksobro wrote:
I picked up the ult at lvl 10 and 11 this is fairly standard.

Not really. It's common to completely delay the ult until you have 4/4/4/0 simply because of how much mana it costs and the low reward you get (WR doesn't do that much autoattack damage early, particularly as offlane/support).
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 25 2014 15:12 GMT
#15179
On January 25 2014 14:01 MrMedic wrote:
How do you actually improve in Dota, I have no idea on how to get better. Just by playing a bunch?


When I was the absolute beginner, I gave myself one simple task - don't die. Which in practice became something like don't die more than 3 or 4 times per game while naturally still contributing as much as possible (disregarding fountain dives/deaths). The more you prioritize staying alive, the more your map and positional awareness improves. It will also encourage a lot of good practices that everyone will tell you to do, but you usually forget when you play (such as carrying tp scrolls, looking at the map, smart warding); as well as smarter itemization.

Don't look at your teammates' mistakes, give zero fucks about how bad they are. In any given situation, for every mistake you see in others, you could easily find at least one that you made yourself if you choose to look for it.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
January 25 2014 16:15 GMT
#15180
Speaking of windrunner, I'm confused about something. I swear in games I have played against her, and on streams, I have seen her charge up her arrow for like 1/4 of a second before firing, and it does a reasonable amount of damage. I thought the damage you do depends on how long you charge it? I swear I see a lot of people insta-firing it when they play WR. Maybe I'm mistaken? But, I think I've seen it dozens of time. I must be nuts.
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