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evo.
Germany46 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8277 Posts
On January 23 2014 02:35 evo. wrote: Does AA ulti block Abaddons ulti? Yes | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Abba's ult replaces damage with healing AA ult replaces healing with nothing. damage and healing both go to nothing. I wonder if HP removal works? don't think so. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On January 23 2014 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote: They interact hilariously where Abba cannot change HP until one of the two wears off. Abba's ult replaces damage with healing AA ult replaces healing with nothing. damage and healing both go to nothing. I wonder if HP removal works? don't think so. HP removal does work I believe. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 23 2014 02:46 Qbek wrote: I think it's coded around hp changes rather than actually damage, both skills i think, so it should work for everything the same way Abaddon's ult is supposed to trigger on damage, so HP removal is not *supposed* to work. However, a couple instance of HP removal are bugged to count as damage for it. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On January 23 2014 01:20 SheaR619 wrote: Her stun is a bit short range with a 500 from the standard 600 but the projectile speed is very good. Why does she need someone to set up her stun for her? She one of the faster support with a speed of 295 (considering that most support are slow as shit with visage at 290, CM at 280, venom at 285). She generally considered more of a roaming support rather then a lane baby sitter. Good vengeful spirit will roam around, particularly mid, for ganks and I thought this was the reason why most team pick her up. The one thing where you're wrong ist that 295 is a good speed. Supports are not made to be slow or slower than non-supports. Lich, Leshrac, Kotl and Bane are with little doubt good as support heroes and they all have 315 movespeed. On the flipside Maiden and Invoker have 280 movespeed. Pudge, Morhpling and Viper have the same 285 as shadow shaman. And it goes on like that. Please don't think in those lines of logic. Dota actually does not have heroes that are supposed to be supports. Merely heroes that are often used as such. | ||
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On January 23 2014 03:07 Mataza wrote: The one thing where you're wrong ist that 295 is a good speed. Supports are not made to be slow or slower than non-supports. Lich, Leshrac, Kotl and Bane are with little doubt good as support heroes and they all have 315 movespeed. On the flipside Maiden and Invoker have 280 movespeed. Pudge, Morhpling and Viper have the same 285 as shadow shaman. And it goes on like that. Please don't think in those lines of logic. Dota actually does not have heroes that are supposed to be supports. Merely heroes that are often used as such. My point was that she is one of the faster support with a reliable stun. Which is why she is such a good roaming support. The support I listed are the most commonly picked support atm such as Venom and CM and I was only comparing the movement speed of them to show that vengeful spirit movement speed is faster than the current meta "go to" support. There are exception like Banes but all the fast support such as Lich, Kotl that you listed don't really have any stun. You can argue bane sleep which allow you set up position but isnt the same as a stun but it does have it uses. Leshrac is the only one with the stun and fast movement speed but his stun has a long delay and can't also be reliable especially at low lvl rank when the AOE on it is smaller and harder to land. I do understand that there are strong support that are not really meant to be played as support such as Alchemist which completely over shadows vengeful spirit as a roaming support which is why we probably dont see her as much. I just dont see any situation where I wouldnt pick alchemist over vengeful spirit ever. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
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iET
Norway40 Posts
On January 23 2014 07:21 Ayaz2810 wrote: Are there any good players who have built support heroes as if they were hard carries? I'm talking like Lich, CM, and others that you wouldn't think of as right clicking monsters. Although, you would think that with their spells supplementing, they could be quite deadly with the right items. I dunno I'm bad. The question stands. I want to do some support/carry trollbuilds if possible. Armlet+crit = best CM | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On January 23 2014 07:21 Ayaz2810 wrote: Are there any good players who have built support heroes as if they were hard carries? I'm talking like Lich, CM, and others that you wouldn't think of as right clicking monsters. Although, you would think that with their spells supplementing, they could be quite deadly with the right items. I dunno I'm bad. The question stands. I want to do some support/carry trollbuilds if possible. SingSing used to do it a lot in pubs, nowadays it's mostly carry Io, exploiting the global ulti to snowball, then getting Dagon/E-blade. | ||
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On January 23 2014 07:21 Ayaz2810 wrote: Are there any good players who have built support heroes as if they were hard carries? I'm talking like Lich, CM, and others that you wouldn't think of as right clicking monsters. Although, you would think that with their spells supplementing, they could be quite deadly with the right items. I dunno I'm bad. The question stands. I want to do some support/carry trollbuilds if possible. Battle lina best lina. One example of a mainly-support who actually has a semi-steroid skill. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On January 23 2014 07:21 Ayaz2810 wrote: Are there any good players who have built support heroes as if they were hard carries? I'm talking like Lich, CM, and others that you wouldn't think of as right clicking monsters. Although, you would think that with their spells supplementing, they could be quite deadly with the right items. I dunno I'm bad. The question stands. I want to do some support/carry trollbuilds if possible. Carry venge is best venge. You start off with a deso then manta and you're basically good to go. Usually the build goes 1 point in stun then 2 on wave and aura and then another in stun then max out wave and aura. Of course you get your ult from time to time. Wave + Deso really does a lot of physical damage. The really old school build goes max stun and aura, but that's really mana extensive and venge doesn't have that much mana pool. If I'm not mistaken, a pro did this troll build together with a teammate that used MoM on KoTL. Also, there were videos about Earthshaker with a shadow blade to dish out a crazy amount of damage. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:51 SilverSkyLark wrote: Carry venge is best venge. You start off with a deso then manta and you're basically good to go. Usually the build goes 1 point in stun then 2 on wave and aura and then another in stun then max out wave and aura. Of course you get your ult from time to time. Wave + Deso really does a lot of physical damage. The really old school build goes max stun and aura, but that's really mana extensive and venge doesn't have that much mana pool. If I'm not mistaken, a pro did this troll build together with a teammate that used MoM on KoTL. Also, there were videos about Earthshaker with a shadow blade to dish out a crazy amount of damage. On January 23 2014 08:23 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote: Battle lina best lina. One example of a mainly-support who actually has a semi-steroid skill. i have a friend who plays lina exclusively as a carry... http://dotabuff.com/players/50828317/matches?hero=lina&game_mode=&match_type=real goes 1/1/4/1 we tell him its bad but he doesnt listen | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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crc
Australia256 Posts
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:38 Velzi wrote: Carry lina is not that bad if u get a good start. It really depends on the situation, ive been going for carry build if i get easy mid and we dont have too many carrys in the team already.Go mid, dominate, 4-1-4-1 with treads drums armlet deso. Armlet makes wonders to your low sustain and u can burst down basicly any1 in the mid game. Carry Lina should still max nukes first. The attack speed only really overtakes having maxed nukes when you have major items anyway--being 4-4-0-1 makes you much stronger in early fights AND farms much faster given how you can instantly clear large creep waves with double nukes. You can transition into carry items after that. You also arguably should still get Arcane Boots rather than Treads since, again, the mana lets you farm faster by allowing you to spam nukes more, but that depends on the game. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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