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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
When i say - use tp to farm, that's mean that you're pushing one lane, then use tp and farm another. And this myth about "higher ms-higher damage output-more farm" is just lol. You're not playing with bots, noone will wait while you're gonna run around everyone. And go, just ban heroes like Viper with 335 ms with pt. He's too slowpoke. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On January 06 2014 08:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: This community lolz. When i say - use tp to farm, that's mean that you're pushing one lane, then use tp and farm another. And this myth about "higher ms-higher damage output-more farm" is just lol. You're not playing with bots, noone will wait while you're gonna run around everyone. And go, just ban heroes like Viper with 335 ms with pt. He's too slowpoke. O_o so you say a haste rune is useless? | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On January 06 2014 08:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: This community lolz. When i say - use tp to farm, that's mean that you're pushing one lane, then use tp and farm another. And this myth about "higher ms-higher damage output-more farm" is just lol. You're not playing with bots, noone will wait while you're gonna run around everyone. And go, just ban heroes like Viper with 335 ms with pt. He's too slowpoke. Uh we're talking about moving between jungle camps (and to/from the lane) higher ms --> greater portion of time spent killing creeps compared to moving around --> more farm. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8277 Posts
On January 06 2014 08:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: This community lolz. When i say - use tp to farm, that's mean that you're pushing one lane, then use tp and farm another. And this myth about "higher ms-higher damage output-more farm" is just lol. You're not playing with bots, noone will wait while you're gonna run around everyone. And go, just ban heroes like Viper with 335 ms with pt. He's too slowpoke. You are correct on one thing. This is not a bot game and no one will wait for you to hit them. Which is EXACTLY why movement speed is so important! The faster you are, the more hits you will get in, the better you can position yourself, the easier you can escape, and the better you can farm. Viper have abilities to get other people down to his ms, its called a slow, and he has two of them. That helps cover for his slow ms..and you still need ms on him! Why would everyone and their grandmothers dog go boots if they werent useful?! For the 8 in one stat and 30 attack speed..for 1400? Please put away those blinders and you might just learn a thing or two to help you win your next game. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
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Baggage
Hong Kong593 Posts
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Verror
261 Posts
That being said, there's a reason that phase/drums/yasha is an extremely popular build on pretty much every agi carry. It gives you a higher movespeed at the cost of some dmg over other kits, but it seems to be very often worth it. | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On January 06 2014 09:18 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: So, i can build drums/s&y/eul/bots on every hero and win? Well drums are pretty amazing in general the ms is just icing. As for the others it isn't exactly ms that is valuable it is mobility which includes things like blink and force and those items are amazing on large numbers on heroes. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8277 Posts
On January 06 2014 09:18 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: So, i can build drums/s&y/eul/bots on every hero and win? You can and should build boots on every hero, yes. Drums can be built on a surprising amount of veroes as well, but is limited as while its not a complete waste, its not optimal to have more than one on the team. Thus it is usually bought by carries or gankers that also needs the other qualities of the item. S&Y is just too damn expensive for what it gives, and the ms doesn't stack with manta which is the preferred carry item by most agi heroes. Euls is a int support item, and a very good one at that preciesly because it adds ms on top of its active and also solves most heroes mana problems. But it is limited because of the heroes wanting it the most are also the biggest supports who wants to buy everything else for their team first. For mid int heroes like Invoker and Puck, euls is amazing. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Drums is medium item, imo. You're getting it if you're not sure in ur ability, for example, you're not getting drums on Gyro if you know that you can get fast bkb without any problem. And i don't think, you're getting yasha because of ms (if u're not LS, which seems like popular nowdays), it's just cheap damage. I remember joke 5 years ago, when S&Y was worth 5200, that some day when S&Y recipe will cost 0, world will end. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8915 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3457 Posts
On January 06 2014 09:39 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Well dudes, you finally sound smart :D We could say that about you too, thank goodness you concede that idiotic argument that less ms doesn't hinder your farm at all somehow..... | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 06 2014 14:43 vndestiny wrote: We could say that about you too, thank goodness you concede that idiotic argument that less ms doesn't hinder your farm at all somehow..... Who told you that i did concede? Guess, i'm just too bad to understand it, so chill. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
There are very few circumstances where its bad to build drums. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 06 2014 20:17 -Celestial- wrote: There are very few circumstances where its bad to build drums. Afaik one of them is rushing radiance on spectre and thus my another question: Why the heck you would go drums when you are going fast radiance (the item, that is actually better the faster you get it). | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 06 2014 20:17 -Celestial- wrote: No, you get drums when you need an item to fight and/or you need an all-round stats item to farm effectively. They're stupidly cost-effective for what they do and provide an excellent movement speed aura out of a nice, easy build-up. You get a lot of value out of it as an item. There are very few circumstances where its bad to build drums. Not exactly. Drums are basically the same as an Ultimate Orb in terms of cost effective stats. The main reasons to buy it are: -Easier buildup (aka great for supports, games where you need small shit RIGHT NOW, games where you are behind) -The MS aura (no reason not to have a 5% MS aura around) -Being a character who wants a bit of extra mana but doesn't have a good Ultimate Orb item he can build into. Most str carries who like Drums fall into this category (e.g. Naix/Doom) -The active. That's the biggest selling point to get it on heroes not covered above. Having that for early fights can make or break them if they're close. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 06 2014 20:39 lolfail9001 wrote: Afaik one of them is rushing radiance on spectre and thus my another question: Why the heck you would go drums when you are going fast radiance (the item, that is actually better the faster you get it). The idea behind that is a bit different. Unlike Bear as another big Radiance carry Spectre with a naked Radiance isn't exactly someone who can manfight or even splitpush properly with just a Radiance. So instead of farming it quickly (and then farming lots with it and then winning the game after 40 minutes) you get small cost efficient shit (Phase/Drums, maybe Aquila or even an Urn) and use your ult to assist ganks and work with your team. Since that translates into kills/towers that snowball your entire team you then transition back to the Radiance later to set up for the splitpush/lategame stuff Spectre excels at. It basically stems from Spectre having a shitty baseline to fight with asap (and not exactly being strong in lane) so you can't really expect to get away with free farm and a quick Radiance in most settings. e: So yes, if you're having freefarm and get the Drums to then... farm for your Radiance you're doing it wrong. Either freefarm/low action game -> farming item or contested farm/high action game -> fighting item -> transition to farming stuff later. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1970 Posts
On January 06 2014 09:18 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: So, i can build drums/s&y/eul/bots on every hero and win? No, but you can do it on Earthshaker and have a ton of fun. Nothing like playing speedshaker. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
And it costs ~400 gold more, no big deal. Get it for Spectre and enjoy, even if you're going for Radiance and not diffusals/manta/heart which's usually more profitable. | ||
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