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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 02 2013 17:35 GMT
#12601
Dark seer often gets it. Enigma gets it almost every game. I could actually see it being good on Nature's prophet if he wasn't a midas-rush hero. Its very very good on broodmother but nobody plays her. Its a must on tinker. I'm sure I'm missing one or two others.
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Daaktard
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden380 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 17:43:38
October 02 2013 17:42 GMT
#12602
Yeah pretty sure only DS, Enigma, Brood and Tinker have it as core.

Other heroes it could be viable on at times(in pubs besides PL) are PL, Axe, DK, Tiny, Jugger, Beastmaster and Skeleton King.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
October 02 2013 18:44 GMT
#12603
Ring on Dragon Knight is a good regerative item when you dont want bottle, be it for whatever reason. Adds even more to your regen, and gives you the ability to firebreathe on cooldown with treads switching. Okay, at least almost :p I do it in pubs when playing sidelanes, in mid I'd say bottle for the simple reason that you'll have it earlier and might be able to get runes against less mobile mids.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
October 02 2013 20:11 GMT
#12604
Soul Ring is good on Skeleton King when you're playing vs a mana-burn enemy. If you're playing against Nyx or Silencer then tapping your soul ring right before you die can make or break a team fight.
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Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 20:21:28
October 02 2013 20:19 GMT
#12605
I like to argue that the net loss of HP makes it a useless item for anyone bar Tinker (simply because he can TP home with 1.5 to 3.5 seconds of CD and then migitate the HP lost).
In pubs, I could see a Brood get it.
DS can grab quick Arcane's if the mana is an issue. You could also do the early Ring of Protection into Basi into Tranquils and Soul Ring, but it's just not worth it. Get Arcane's or buy 15 mana pots in the laning stage - it's 50 gold less than the Soul Ring in any case.
Oh, yeah. Enigma could get it for spamming Enigglets.

Edit: Spelling.
Edit 2: Realised Enigma was in the pool.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 02 2013 20:24 GMT
#12606
Arcanes are not enough mana for either enigma or dark seer. Dark seer often gets soul ring AND mana boots and is still prone to running out of mana. (Vac + wall is 490 mana at level 11, plus you want shell for damage, you have likely been farming and you need to surge around all the time).

Mana potions work well enough for enigma but darkseer takes damage to jungle so can't be using clarities. And later-game enigma needs the soul ring as a virtual +150 mana pool simply due to the cost of all of his abilities stacked together as well.

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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
October 02 2013 20:26 GMT
#12607
On October 03 2013 05:19 Jisira wrote:
I like to argue that the net loss of HP makes it a useless item for anyone bar Tinker (simply because he can TP home with 1.5 to 3.5 seconds of CD and then migitate the HP lost).
In pubs, I could see a Brood get it.
DS can grab quick Arcane's if the mana is an issue. You could also do the early Ring of Protection into Basi into Tranquils and Soul Ring, but it's just not worth it. Get Arcane's or buy 15 mana pots in the laning stage - it's 50 gold less than the Soul Ring in any case.
Oh, yeah. Enigma could get it for spamming Enigglets.

Edit: Spelling.
Edit 2: Realised Enigma was in the pool.


Mana boots give less than half the mana regen of soul ring, while soul ring lets you ion shell every wave. As long as you're not getting hit, the passivr HP regen takes care of most of the damage as well so it's not too bad there either. If you aren't facing a trilane though I would understand mana boots more since you won't need to ion shell very wave.
aeroblaster
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 03:04:51
October 03 2013 03:04 GMT
#12608
On October 03 2013 05:19 Jisira wrote:
I like to argue that the net loss of HP makes it a useless item for anyone bar Tinker (simply because he can TP home with 1.5 to 3.5 seconds of CD and then migitate the HP lost).
In pubs, I could see a Brood get it.
DS can grab quick Arcane's if the mana is an issue. You could also do the early Ring of Protection into Basi into Tranquils and Soul Ring, but it's just not worth it. Get Arcane's or buy 15 mana pots in the laning stage - it's 50 gold less than the Soul Ring in any case.
Oh, yeah. Enigma could get it for spamming Enigglets.

Edit: Spelling.
Edit 2: Realised Enigma was in the pool.

You underestimate the power of Soul Ring. 150 self damage is not a big deal, especially on heroes who buy regen like Mek/Hood or something regenerative with a Ring of Health. It takes on average 21 seconds to recover the damage if you have some kind of basic regen.

Also don't forget Slark has beast hp regen too, soul ring can solve mana problems on spammy Slarks.
If you want to catch a rabbit just hide behind a tree and make the sound of a carrot.
Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
October 03 2013 03:19 GMT
#12609
I'm not underestimating the power of it, there is a reason it's close to a one-of-a-kind item. I still don't realise how it's any better than bottlecrowing. If two people need to crow, get a dedicated crowing courier if it's so annoying. Two people buying bottle + courier spend on average 15 gold less (one spends 50 gold less, one spends 20 gold more) than a Soul Ring and never has to suffer the HP setback that often makes you play a little bit more conservative.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
October 03 2013 03:56 GMT
#12610
If you don't get a soulring on enigma you're doing something wrong
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2013 04:53 GMT
#12611
On October 03 2013 12:56 KOFgokuon wrote:
If you don't get a soulring on enigma you're doing something wrong

It's actually not necessary on mid Enigma (even though it's still nice there) because Bottle-Crowing gets you to Arcanes, but the only time we've seen that remotely recently is Xiao8 playing it for like 3 games toward the beginning of this year.
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beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
October 03 2013 05:15 GMT
#12612
What about on Bane? I usually buy both couriers + wards so getting arcane comes quite late into the game, and having the extra regen early on is kinda nice in soul ring.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2013 05:29 GMT
#12613
As a support you can't afford to spend 800 gold on an item that has no combat stats and no team utility. Your gold is too valuable for that.

Mid it can be OK, but tends to be redundant with Arcanes+Bottle.
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Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
October 03 2013 05:42 GMT
#12614
On October 03 2013 14:29 TheYango wrote:
As a support you can't afford to spend 800 gold on an item that has no combat stats and no team utility. Your gold is too valuable for that.

Mid it can be OK, but tends to be redundant with Arcanes+Bottle.

Unless you're one of those heroes who actually only has one spell ^^ Earthshaker being the only one to come to mind honestly who can justify soul ring on an ultra-broke support lol
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
October 03 2013 05:48 GMT
#12615
nah save 200 more get arcanes
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
October 03 2013 05:57 GMT
#12616
On October 03 2013 13:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 12:56 KOFgokuon wrote:
If you don't get a soulring on enigma you're doing something wrong

It's actually not necessary on mid Enigma (even though it's still nice there) because Bottle-Crowing gets you to Arcanes, but the only time we've seen that remotely recently is Xiao8 playing it for like 3 games toward the beginning of this year.

Puppey did that shit too under some circumstances. I think if you're in an Arcanes-hungry team it's reasonable.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
October 03 2013 07:20 GMT
#12617
try it on tide. max gush and rape lane.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 03 2013 11:35 GMT
#12618
How do I get better lockdown as naix? It seems like whenever I try to focus someone they get mek'd up and force staff'd out and when my rage wears off I die. Basher helps assuming I can get in range to attack.
Is it just a matter of my team not having enough stuns?
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negon
Profile Joined February 2012
212 Posts
October 03 2013 11:49 GMT
#12619
Yes.
Tho obviously try to be cautious with Open Wounds so that you don't end up blowing it on someone you know will get away.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
October 03 2013 11:52 GMT
#12620
That is pretty much the standard problem of being a melee right clicker with no positioning abilities.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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