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hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
August 31 2013 13:55 GMT
#11781
this is somewhat of a rhetorical question but how come Weaver is SO FUCKING GOOD? jesus christ

I know Dota goes with the "make everyone OP" method but Weaver is just all kinds of bullshit

as in, "why would I ever pick any other offlane unless I knew I was going up against a trilane", and even then Weaver seems too good to pass up

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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 14:10:34
August 31 2013 14:05 GMT
#11782
What's the most efficient way to jungle batrider? Just not sure how to get to level 2 quickly
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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
August 31 2013 14:10 GMT
#11783
On August 31 2013 23:05 TheSubtleArt wrote:
What's the most efficient way to jungle batrider?

Kill small camp twice while stacking the big camp. Kill the big camp as you are now level two and then go back home to heal. As you return stack the big camp and then kill it and the nearby camp(s). Then go to the other big camp and repeat until you have your dagger.

Starting items are boots and a tango. Get firefly on lvl 1. If you get healing trolls on your first small camp you won't be able to kill them in time to stack at 0:53.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
August 31 2013 14:51 GMT
#11784
On August 31 2013 23:10 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 23:05 TheSubtleArt wrote:
What's the most efficient way to jungle batrider?

Kill small camp twice while stacking the big camp. Kill the big camp as you are now level two and then go back home to heal. As you return stack the big camp and then kill it and the nearby camp(s). Then go to the other big camp and repeat until you have your dagger.

Starting items are boots and a tango. Get firefly on lvl 1. If you get healing trolls on your first small camp you won't be able to kill them in time to stack at 0:53.


I just stack regardless if I can kill the small camp or not. The stacked hard lane is a lot more important to the level progression imo.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
August 31 2013 16:45 GMT
#11785
Getting level 2 is probably more important. But it's not hard to kill the small camp and still stack the large.

You can kill 2 of 3 of the troll camp and aggro the last and stack the hard, and move away the last troll just in time.
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
August 31 2013 17:13 GMT
#11786
On August 31 2013 23:10 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 23:05 TheSubtleArt wrote:
What's the most efficient way to jungle batrider?

Kill small camp twice while stacking the big camp. Kill the big camp as you are now level two and then go back home to heal. As you return stack the big camp and then kill it and the nearby camp(s). Then go to the other big camp and repeat until you have your dagger.

Starting items are boots and a tango. Get firefly on lvl 1. If you get healing trolls on your first small camp you won't be able to kill them in time to stack at 0:53.



To add to this later if u are still in jungle lv 3 +, the most efficient way is to do the triple firefly camp, so in one firefly u go to all 3 camps and do them at the same time since the fire will stay on the ground and the creeps will follow u.

It is much easier to do on radiant side then on dire side
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 31 2013 17:20 GMT
#11787
On August 31 2013 22:55 hooahah wrote:
this is somewhat of a rhetorical question but how come Weaver is SO FUCKING GOOD? jesus christ

I know Dota goes with the "make everyone OP" method but Weaver is just all kinds of bullshit

as in, "why would I ever pick any other offlane unless I knew I was going up against a trilane", and even then Weaver seems too good to pass up

Weaver shines more in a 1n1, against a good trilane, he'll just stay lvl 1 or just die
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 31 2013 17:34 GMT
#11788
The thing about weaver is that he is hard to gank, so people don't gank him at all in many games and a weaver left alone is always a problem
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 17:46:46
August 31 2013 17:45 GMT
#11789
Stacking the easy camp is not that important/reliable and can screw up the more important part - stacking the hard camp. Farm the small camp as you can (don't bother stacking) while stacking the hard camp every minute reliably up to about 6-7 times. You'll be about level 3 from farming the small camp, then Napalm the stacked hard camp about 6-7 times before Fireflying it down, and you'll shoot straight to level 6+.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398325#gameplay
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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 18:11:45
August 31 2013 18:11 GMT
#11790
On September 01 2013 02:45 Firebolt145 wrote:
Stacking the easy camp is not that important/reliable and can screw up the more important part - stacking the hard camp. Farm the small camp as you can (don't bother stacking) while stacking the hard camp every minute reliably up to about 6-7 times. You'll be about level 3 from farming the small camp, then Napalm the stacked hard camp about 6-7 times before Fireflying it down, and you'll shoot straight to level 6+.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398325#gameplay

Have you done this recently? Your guide was written before the pull/stack nerf. I believe it isn't possible to reliably build more than a quad-stack.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8914 Posts
August 31 2013 18:15 GMT
#11791
you can if you napalm properly while youre pulling. maybe not 7 but 6 is possible
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 18:29:19
August 31 2013 18:23 GMT
#11792
Hmm, it's still very ineffective though as you're only killing a large and small camp a minute. You could be killing two large camps and possibly more every minute.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 18:31:48
August 31 2013 18:31 GMT
#11793
You don't need to Napalm the stack once it has 5-6 stacks. You just need to pull ever so slightly earlier than you otherwise would.

On September 01 2013 03:23 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Hmm, it's still very ineffective though as you're only killing a large and small camp a minute. You could be killing two large camps and possibly more every minute.

I don't believe this is possible. If so, could you please link a replay with this.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 31 2013 18:34 GMT
#11794
On September 01 2013 03:11 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:45 Firebolt145 wrote:
Stacking the easy camp is not that important/reliable and can screw up the more important part - stacking the hard camp. Farm the small camp as you can (don't bother stacking) while stacking the hard camp every minute reliably up to about 6-7 times. You'll be about level 3 from farming the small camp, then Napalm the stacked hard camp about 6-7 times before Fireflying it down, and you'll shoot straight to level 6+.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398325#gameplay

Have you done this recently? Your guide was written before the pull/stack nerf. I believe it isn't possible to reliably build more than a quad-stack.

It depends on which camp and which pull direction, some work up to 11-12 stacks. The close hardcamps are a bit trickier tho.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 18:36:55
August 31 2013 18:35 GMT
#11795
You need to be level 4 or 5 to reasonably kill 3 camps a minute, rank 1 Firefly + rank 1 Napalm takes too many Napalm stacks to reliably kill each camp.

You get level 4 off your cleaning your first big hard camp stack (there's not a whole lot of reason to stack it to 6 or 7 stacks because you'll hit level 4 off of a 4 or 5 stacked hard camp plus 3 small camps) and then you can farm 3 camps after that.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 31 2013 18:36 GMT
#11796
On September 01 2013 03:34 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 03:11 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
On September 01 2013 02:45 Firebolt145 wrote:
Stacking the easy camp is not that important/reliable and can screw up the more important part - stacking the hard camp. Farm the small camp as you can (don't bother stacking) while stacking the hard camp every minute reliably up to about 6-7 times. You'll be about level 3 from farming the small camp, then Napalm the stacked hard camp about 6-7 times before Fireflying it down, and you'll shoot straight to level 6+.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398325#gameplay

Have you done this recently? Your guide was written before the pull/stack nerf. I believe it isn't possible to reliably build more than a quad-stack.

It depends on which camp and which pull direction, some work up to 11-12 stacks. The close hardcamps are a bit trickier tho.


Do you have a picture of 10+ stacks ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
August 31 2013 18:37 GMT
#11797
On September 01 2013 03:34 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 03:11 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
On September 01 2013 02:45 Firebolt145 wrote:
Stacking the easy camp is not that important/reliable and can screw up the more important part - stacking the hard camp. Farm the small camp as you can (don't bother stacking) while stacking the hard camp every minute reliably up to about 6-7 times. You'll be about level 3 from farming the small camp, then Napalm the stacked hard camp about 6-7 times before Fireflying it down, and you'll shoot straight to level 6+.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398325#gameplay

Have you done this recently? Your guide was written before the pull/stack nerf. I believe it isn't possible to reliably build more than a quad-stack.

It depends on which camp and which pull direction, some work up to 11-12 stacks. The close hardcamps are a bit trickier tho.

Okay I wouldn't claim this far lol.
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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
August 31 2013 18:41 GMT
#11798
On September 01 2013 03:31 Firebolt145 wrote:
You don't need to Napalm the stack once it has 5-6 stacks. You just need to pull ever so slightly earlier than you otherwise would.

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 03:23 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Hmm, it's still very ineffective though as you're only killing a large and small camp a minute. You could be killing two large camps and possibly more every minute.

I don't believe this is possible. If so, could you please link a replay with this.

This is your speed once you return to the jungle with level 4 after killing your initial three-stack with the method I described above. Stack a large camp and kill it, move to the other before the minute turns over and repeat. Back and forth.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 31 2013 18:42 GMT
#11799
Radiant far hardcamp, pull to top left (kill trees first), that stuff stacks 10+ times. Radiant op as usual.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8914 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 18:51:10
August 31 2013 18:49 GMT
#11800
yeah i just tested shit out. without killing trees on any side its impossible to get over 6. ive tried 51,52,53 seconds, all sorts of napalm stacks and i only got the 6th stack by using flamebreak to push the creeps out of the box in the last second too. if you do clear all the trees however you get 8+ easy. didnt keep trying after the 8th stack cause i couldnt be bothered.
this was radiant hard camp near mid btw, not the one in the middle. middle one is probably easier
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