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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 27 2013 21:39 GMT
#11681
You'll probably want to read the situation a bit though. If you have really scrappy fights that are full of disengaging/re-engaging (poor lockdown) the bottle can be pretty significant. If your teamfights are more about a burst of teamfight (strong initiation, good lockdown, whatever) you'll want the wand.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 21:48:51
August 27 2013 21:47 GMT
#11682
I play a lot of Lone Druid and if the enemy have the option, they love putting a Dark Seer against me. I feel comfortable playing against creep skippers but the guys that just shell the wave and stay with it are giving me trouble. Aggressively attacking the shelled creep means the bear takes a fuckton of damage and I'll probably miss all the denies, especially when there's double ion shells. Trying to get all the denies also leads to the bear taking too much damage. I haven't tried aggressively trying to zone him out, I can see both ups and downs with that strategy. What's the best chioce here?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 27 2013 21:51 GMT
#11683
The strategy is get an orb of venom on the bear and leave the bear right-clicked on his hero while last-hitting with yours. Level 1 shell is trivial to deny and if it pushes the wave into your tower then bring your bear back to tank instead of your hero and to lasthit with. By the time ion shell is too much damage to handle, you can just get roots and kill him. Get some tranquils on your hero to keep your HP topped up. If you can harass him back to base, then just send your bear back to heal and last-hit with your hero.
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
August 27 2013 23:48 GMT
#11684
So a while ago I know people were talking about Elder Titan and how best to build him skill/item wise. From what I recall mana boots -> mek was the suggested items but I don't remember skills.

To me it makes more sense to have only 1~2 points in stomp and then max his aura second (IMO Astral should be maxed first). I find it really to be good for midgame teamfights (the whole reason to be picking him I think). I guess really the question is should I be prioritizing stomp over aura, or should I just worry about aura for the midgame?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 27 2013 23:55 GMT
#11685
I thought it was 3 in stomp to guarantee the ulti combo but I could be wrong.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 28 2013 00:14 GMT
#11686
Shamelessly promoting the lazy man's steam guide again, for TC/ET:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=143027041

Luckily TC's skillset is pretty much fixed before lvl6 (you always make lvl2 stomp to combo with the ulti while maxing spirit) so I included the skillset for it there. The significance of Aura doesnt kick in after your team have the dps/combo damage to utilize it, if you could kill the enemy in early/early-mid game then chances is that you won't really need the help of the Aura, while getting lvl1 aura before lvl10 can be situationally useful.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 28 2013 00:18 GMT
#11687
On August 28 2013 08:48 LeLoup wrote:
So a while ago I know people were talking about Elder Titan and how best to build him skill/item wise. From what I recall mana boots -> mek was the suggested items but I don't remember skills.

To me it makes more sense to have only 1~2 points in stomp and then max his aura second (IMO Astral should be maxed first). I find it really to be good for midgame teamfights (the whole reason to be picking him I think). I guess really the question is should I be prioritizing stomp over aura, or should I just worry about aura for the midgame?

Max spirit, 2 in stomp if you can get away with it, 3 in stomp in situations where you need the extra sleep time (e.g. against a QoP or storm), rest in aura. Get ult at 6 obviously.

There are scenarios where it makes sense to delay ult later on, simply because the only thing you get out of it ranks are 10% MS slow and 1s slow duration.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 28 2013 03:35 GMT
#11688
On August 28 2013 08:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
I thought it was 3 in stomp to guarantee the ulti combo but I could be wrong.

2 normally, 3 against blinks.
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Dentz
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia50 Posts
August 28 2013 08:54 GMT
#11689
any tips for playing Tinker vs QoP?

Is it worth trading laser for shadow strike?
What skill build should I go for? (starting items too please)

targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
August 28 2013 13:27 GMT
#11690
Recently I got back into Dota after a very long break. I wanna ask for Puck: is it necessary to get an early level (before reaching lvl 6) in Phase Shift? I see that is the advice in guides, but when actually playing I don't seem to be able to do much with it sadly.

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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
August 28 2013 13:37 GMT
#11691
Even if you aren't using it to dodge a skill of theirs (ex: QoP's dagger, magnus shockwave etc) you can use it to trade autoattacks with them but dodge theirs by quick tapping it while their shot is in the air. Note you dont have to still be in phase shift when it lands. The only time I can imagine skipping it would be against a completely passive mid, but even them it'd be nice to have vs any ganks.
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
August 28 2013 13:43 GMT
#11692
Is it possible for storm spirit to auto-attack during his ulti form? If so how?

I'm sure I saw it in some practice lobby.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 13:47:50
August 28 2013 13:46 GMT
#11693
No but it's a common technique to ult, attack once, and then ult again to reapply his passive. Perhaps that's what you saw?

Actually im not too sure. I'd have to test it, but I'm pretty sure you can't.
734pot
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia294 Posts
August 28 2013 13:51 GMT
#11694
I've heard people talk about maelstrom into radiance on syllabear, what sort of situation would be good for this? I feel like midas is the stronger choice before radiance in most cases.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 28 2013 14:14 GMT
#11695
On August 28 2013 22:43 Andr3 wrote:
Is it possible for storm spirit to auto-attack during his ulti form? If so how?

I'm sure I saw it in some practice lobby.

Yes, you can. I'm not so sure on the how. Practice yourself ;P. I saw EE and Blitz (seperately) doing it.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 28 2013 14:59 GMT
#11696
On August 28 2013 22:51 734pot wrote:
I've heard people talk about maelstrom into radiance on syllabear, what sort of situation would be good for this? I feel like midas is the stronger choice before radiance in most cases.

Either go Maelstrom, or got Radiance.

I can't in good heart suggest both.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 15:16:36
August 28 2013 15:12 GMT
#11697
On August 28 2013 22:51 734pot wrote:
I've heard people talk about maelstrom into radiance on syllabear, what sort of situation would be good for this? I feel like midas is the stronger choice before radiance in most cases.

they're both farming items so it'd be a bit redundant to go maelstrom into radiance
usually you go maelstrom off a bad start, midas -> fast radiance is optimal.

On August 28 2013 23:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On August 28 2013 22:43 Andr3 wrote:
Is it possible for storm spirit to auto-attack during his ulti form? If so how?

I'm sure I saw it in some practice lobby.

Yes, you can. I'm not so sure on the how. Practice yourself ;P. I saw EE and Blitz (seperately) doing it.

you just r-click and right click on who you want to attack. as soon as you get in range you should attack even in ball lightning. in the same sense, you can use items while in ball lightning (so orchid silence should go off before you finish ulti).
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 15:15:22
August 28 2013 15:13 GMT
#11698
On August 28 2013 22:27 targ wrote:
Recently I got back into Dota after a very long break. I wanna ask for Puck: is it necessary to get an early level (before reaching lvl 6) in Phase Shift? I see that is the advice in guides, but when actually playing I don't seem to be able to do much with it sadly.


if you cant find a use for phase shift before 6 then you are playing puck wrong.
Even if you dont want it to dodge spells (an unlikely scenario) you will want it to trade autoattacks.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 28 2013 15:26 GMT
#11699
On August 28 2013 17:54 Dentz wrote:
any tips for playing Tinker vs QoP?

Is it worth trading laser for shadow strike?
What skill build should I go for? (starting items too please)


if you can get in an autoattack trade with the shadow strike then yes (due to blind from laser). the range on laser is 550 while the range on shadow strike is 400, so qop really has to commit to a trade.

starting items would be some combination of tango/salve/mantle/branches. maxing out laser vs qop is really good, whether you go for rockets for more burst or march to farm ancients / push out lane is more personal choice.
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
August 28 2013 16:35 GMT
#11700
On August 29 2013 00:12 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 22:51 734pot wrote:
I've heard people talk about maelstrom into radiance on syllabear, what sort of situation would be good for this? I feel like midas is the stronger choice before radiance in most cases.

they're both farming items so it'd be a bit redundant to go maelstrom into radiance
usually you go maelstrom off a bad start, midas -> fast radiance is optimal.

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 23:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 28 2013 22:43 Andr3 wrote:
Is it possible for storm spirit to auto-attack during his ulti form? If so how?

I'm sure I saw it in some practice lobby.

Yes, you can. I'm not so sure on the how. Practice yourself ;P. I saw EE and Blitz (seperately) doing it.

you just r-click and right click on who you want to attack. as soon as you get in range you should attack even in ball lightning. in the same sense, you can use items while in ball lightning (so orchid silence should go off before you finish ulti).

Me and a friend we're testing ball lighting damage and in one of the runs he hit me during ulti. We tried to replicate it but didn't work, no idea how you're supposed to do it...

Another question: how long do creeps give vision of the surrounding area after they die? it's something i gotta start abusing as it seems very useful to know
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