So today I played my first game as a Naga Siren support. Things where kinda rusty, I didn't always get the best ultimates off, but overall it went decent and we won the game.

However, besides improving on my ultimate timing, one of the things I found myself pondering is what kind of items I should go for in a long game? I started with a Ring of Bassilus, Boots, Wand, Arcane Boots, Bracer because I was getting bursted down, Blink Dagger to initiate, Drums, and then I accumulated a lot of gold and bought a Heart of Tarrasque to survive the OD and Gyro a bit longer. Of course I also got wards, but as the game dragged on and my inventory filled up I never had room for them anymore. Should I have build something like a Diffusal Blade? A Manta Style? A Scythe of Vyse?

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34510 Posts

August 16 2013 22:45 GMT

#11426

Mekansm is a pretty big deal. Vlads if you have melee carries.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 16 2013 22:55 GMT

#11427

Naga is also a fantastic Urn carrier as a support, particularly given it's minor synergy with your ultimate. Frequently you will use your ult to help disengage someone who was initiated on by the other team and counter-fight. You can urn the person who was initiated on during your ultimate, during which time they will receive the majority of the Urn heal before your ult finishes.

Slardar

Canada7596 Posts

August 17 2013 00:10 GMT

#11428

Due to the extreme range on Song, you really don't need a Blink dagger to engage. While it is nice, you should allocate the farm you will get as a support to other more important items.

Standard item progression goes along the lines of PMS, Arcane Boots, Mek/Urn and Heavens Halberd. Later on Diffusal Blade as you begin the transition into semi-carry then probably Heart at that stage if you ever get to it.

SoleSteeler

Canada5472 Posts

August 17 2013 00:27 GMT

#11429

On August 14 2013 23:15 Qbek wrote:

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No way to avoid that, shouldn't take very long, a day or two from what i know. Let us know when you get in so we have some data on that.

I've been at 8500~ in queue for over a month now. Is it because I live in Korea?

Sorry to bump a post from several pages back.

Used the search function...

evilfatsh1t

Australia8947 Posts

August 17 2013 01:17 GMT

#11430

Ask someone for a beta key in korea. Korea does not wait like the other countries in a line, we still use beta keys like pre release dota 2. You probably wont get dota in korea before official release if you just wait in line

GentleDrill

United Kingdom672 Posts

August 17 2013 02:52 GMT

#11431

Does anybody know the interactions (if any) with crit and lifesteal of attack modifiers (not necessarily orbs) that increase the damage of your attack without actually adding to your damage number?

For example, I heard somewhere that Sniper's Headshot bonus damage will be multiplied by a crit if it procs on the same attack. Is this true? Would he also lifesteal from the Headshot damage if he had lifesteal?

If it does apply, does it also apply to other physical damage modifiers including Riki's Backstab, Ursa's Fury Swipes, Lifestealer's Feast, Anti-Mage's Mana Break (the tooltip says it can lifesteal but what about crit?), Diffusal Blade Feedback, Slardar's Bash, Viper's Nethertoxin, Clinkz's Searing Arrows (he can't ever lifesteal from this since it's an orb and he's ranged, but does crit work?), and backstab damage from any invis effect including BH's Shadow Walk, Nyx's Vendetta, and Shadow Blade (none of these work with crit, but what about lifesteal?)

I've listed all the physical effects I can think of, as I'm assuming out of hand that no pure or magical damage modifiers (Spectre's Desolate, AA's Chilling Touch etc.) work. And are any of these inconsistent between Dota 1 and 2?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 17 2013 03:00 GMT

#11432

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=5071

HigoSeco

Chile232 Posts

August 17 2013 03:27 GMT

#11433

does evasion reduce the chance of getting entangled by bear? or it doesn't matter if bear's attack hit to proc entangle on you?

synapse

China13814 Posts

August 17 2013 03:54 GMT

#11434

On August 17 2013 12:27 HigoSeco wrote:
does evasion reduce the chance of getting entangled by bear? or it doesn't matter if bear's attack hit to proc entangle on you?

you can only be entangled if you get hit. so yes, evasion reduces your chances of getting entangled in the sense that it reduces your chances of being hit in the first place.

tauon

Australia1278 Posts

August 17 2013 06:56 GMT

#11435

On August 17 2013 12:54 synapse wrote:

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you can only be entangled if you get hit. so yes, evasion reduces your chances of getting entangled in the sense that it reduces your chances of being hit in the first place.

Evasion also reduces the chance of getting bashed , other procs and also orbs (although I think desolate has a weird interaction in dota 2).

Telmata

Germany5 Posts

August 17 2013 09:27 GMT

#11436

hey guys
just went mid with timbersaw vs a bloodseeker
how to win mid vs bloodseeker then?
my lone druid was raging about how i lost mid vs bloodseeker, but i couldnt do anything because of bloodseekers higher damage - he just denied and last hitted everything faster than me
but ofc my lone druid couldnt answer me how i should win mid vs bloodseeker

DrPandaPhD

5188 Posts

August 17 2013 09:33 GMT

#11437

On August 17 2013 18:27 Telmata wrote:
hey guys
just went mid with timbersaw vs a bloodseeker
how to win mid vs bloodseeker then?
my lone druid was raging about how i lost mid vs bloodseeker, but i couldnt do anything because of bloodseekers higher damage - he just denied and last hitted everything faster than me
but ofc my lone druid couldnt answer me how i should win mid vs bloodseeker

Thing about bloodseeker is that he is a really strong laner. But he falls off very hard after that. Losing mid vs bloodseeker is very common and almost to be expected for the person that goes up vs him. Best way to win is to actually get help from your teammates. Just carry a TP when he reaches 6 and tp out if you need to escape his ulti.

Anyway, you should pressure bloodseeker as much as possible before he hits level 3. That's when he is as weakest. Spam your Q to lasthit + harass him at the same time. Constantly autoattack him. You will get a bottle to get the hp back later. Past level 3 it's really difficult to kill a bloodseeker alone. But you can avoid getting denied by using spells to lasthit.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8947 Posts

August 17 2013 09:34 GMT

#11438

you cant win mid against bloodseeker. like you said, he has better damage than you and better regen than you. your only hope is to deny heaps and get lvl 6 first, and perhaps try to get a kill but with the lack of trees at mid it means youre going to have a hard time. you shouldnt die to him though

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34510 Posts

August 17 2013 09:38 GMT

#11439

I dunno, I don't think you should do too badly against Bloodseeker. Just put points in your first nuke and your passive, skip your grapple hook until level 5 or 7 or so (all his spell names escape me). Spam your nuke liberally whenever he comes into melee range to get your own last hits as well as harass him, then trade hits because he has 15% less primary stats after that, and because you're getting plenty of regen and armor from the enemy creeps aggroing onto you (you should also have a stout shield). Get a fast bottle, push out the lane with nukes to control the runes. Once he is about to hit level 6 send yourself a TP to escape Rupture.

Baggage

Hong Kong593 Posts

August 17 2013 09:44 GMT

#11440

Get early points in Whirling Death and Reactive Armor. If you don't feel particularly confident in your mid skills you can also opt for 2 points of Reactive Armor at lvl 3. Then instead of contesting CS as much you just give Bloodseeker the right clicks. The nature of Timbersaw in 1v1 melee matchups means that few of them can go toe to toe with reactive armor regen. Stout Shield is obviously a pretty good pickup, then if you can bottle crow and last hit with Whirling Death, feel free to do it.

Another trick with dealing with Bloodseeker last hitting is that you don't necessarily have to get the proper "deny". Obviously it's good to get the deny, but if you can simply deny him the regen from getting the cs then it's just as good, especially since the regen isn't that strong at low levels. You can probably skip Whirling Death at level 1 too if you wanna grab reactive armor and just right click out of him. If it gets to the point where bloodseeker is low on hp and out of regen, then he's really easy to zone out because you have kill potential over him pre-6.