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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8947 Posts
August 12 2013 16:25 GMT
#11261
he has 2 skills which give the target steroids meaning lategame carries are going to hit a lot harder and move a lot faster making them that much harder to deal with. the extra regen tethered units get is incredibly powerful early game (late game too), because the target never has to go back to base. on top of that, he has a 2 second stun via tether and a decent nuke making him a strong ganking partner for virtually every hero. lastly, his ulti allows for global movement every minute while paired with someone else. all i did was pretty much describe what his skills did, because thats all you need to know to see why hes such a strong hero. not only is he strong at all phases of the game, but he single handedly applies pressure to the enemy team because they know they cannot farm safely on their own. not a lot of other supports can do that
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 17:27:14
August 12 2013 17:24 GMT
#11262
Imho wisp is broken simply because he allows global presence for any hero.
Normally only Furion and Spectre have the ability to join a fight at will.

This is huge. The only other hero who allows global map presence to his teammates is Pit Lord. And Pit Lord is not in CM currently, despite being in the game as long as TA and Huskar.

edit: I am not actually up to date on Dota 1, so I might have outdated information regarding CM
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 12 2013 17:33 GMT
#11263
KotL lends some form of global presence to allies as well, although obviously not on the wisp level necessarily.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8947 Posts
August 12 2013 17:43 GMT
#11264
pit lord is on another level of broken. impossible not to fight him
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 12 2013 18:13 GMT
#11265
You can carry with whatever you want if you're really above the 9 other players. Deal with the fact you will lose games, sure some guys might be really retarded and be at your MMR because he mostly picks naix but other than that the MMR is relatively accurate over a 10 games series.
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MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
August 12 2013 19:20 GMT
#11266
Is Abbadon good in competitive play? Actually, is there a Matchmaking for ranked play?
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Shootemup.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1044 Posts
August 12 2013 19:24 GMT
#11267
On August 13 2013 04:20 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
Is Abbadon good in competitive play? Actually, is there a Matchmaking for ranked play?

The only ranked match making is Team Matching Making, there isn't a ranked solo queue.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 12 2013 20:04 GMT
#11268
On August 13 2013 04:20 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
Is Abbadon good in competitive play? Actually, is there a Matchmaking for ranked play?

Abaddon isn't in captain's mode so I guess... no?
He's a good hero at lower MMR where people don't really know how to deal with you in fights (you can just dive towers all day long with ult).
:)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 12 2013 20:07 GMT
#11269
Why isn't Abaddon in captain's mode anyway? It's not like he's had a huge remake recently o_O

Also saying he's good at lower MMR and not higher is pretty ridiculous, he has the best support skill in the game, reliable low cooldown heal and he cannot be instafocused like most supports.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 20:12:41
August 12 2013 20:11 GMT
#11270
On August 13 2013 05:07 Shikyo wrote:
Why isn't Abaddon in captain's mode anyway? It's not like he's had a huge remake recently o_O

Also saying he's good at lower MMR and not higher is pretty ridiculous, he has the best support skill in the game, reliable low cooldown heal and he cannot be instafocused like most supports.


He is in captain's mode. He just hasn't been added to dota2 captains mode because he was just released. Considering how many bugs on the bugs list right now he holds a similar fate to Elder Titan.
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Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
August 12 2013 20:14 GMT
#11271
There also probably needs to be a decision made on whether or not to port over the triggered heal interactions that exist in dota 1
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 20:16:55
August 12 2013 20:14 GMT
#11272
On August 13 2013 05:07 Shikyo wrote:
Why isn't Abaddon in captain's mode anyway? It's not like he's had a huge remake recently o_O

Also saying he's good at lower MMR and not higher is pretty ridiculous, he has the best support skill in the game, reliable low cooldown heal and he cannot be instafocused like most supports.

The fact that he's melee without any ranged cc makes it really awkward to set up good lanes, and he needs a LOT of exp to be effective with both nuke + shield. Sure he might make a niche counterpick vs bat for example, but all too often you just get counterpicked with shadow demon or OD or someone on the other team just buys a eul's and you become pretty useless.

I don't think that he's necessarily a BAD support, but there are a lot of ways to deal with him once you know how, and he's strongest in lower MMR where people don't necessarily understand how to shut him down.
:)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 12 2013 20:21 GMT
#11273
Abaddon is really a lot like omni. Which isn't a recipe for competitive success.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 12 2013 20:41 GMT
#11274
On August 13 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Abaddon is really a lot like omni. Which isn't a recipe for competitive success.

With a worse ultimate and no free BKB.
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boxman22
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada430 Posts
August 12 2013 21:09 GMT
#11275
On August 13 2013 05:41 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Abaddon is really a lot like omni. Which isn't a recipe for competitive success.

With a worse ultimate and no free BKB.

A different form of bkb. Against bat or bane his shield is better than omni. He also has a higher heal/second
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
August 12 2013 21:15 GMT
#11276
I see. I really liked Abaddon due to Accursed in HoN (found out they're the same hero when i first started anyway). I was just wondering how is he in dota versus HoN.

Is there heroes that I should (if not, must) learn? I feel like I play a weird set of characters (Spirit Breaker, Bounty Hunter and Juggernaut).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#11277
Competitive success has little to do with how fun or pub-viable a hero is. If you enjoyed accursed then you will enjoy abbadon (although he has the Automatic ult, not the changed accursed one).

I feel like learning a hero like QoP/Windrunner teaches people a lot about dota. However, there is nothing to say that you can't just play whatever random heroes you like (seems like melee in this case). Its pub dota, relax and have fun.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 21:30:21
August 12 2013 21:29 GMT
#11278
On August 13 2013 06:15 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
I see. I really liked Abaddon due to Accursed in HoN (found out they're the same hero when i first started anyway). I was just wondering how is he in dota versus HoN.
*
Is there heroes that I should (if not, must) learn? I feel like I play a weird set of characters (Spirit Breaker, Bounty Hunter and Juggernaut).


I'd say there are about 102 heroes that you need to learn what they can do. What heroes you want to learn to play on the other hand is entirely up to you. Only when the times comes where you start looking for, or have already found, a team, would I start practicing specific heroes because its needed rather than what I enjoy the most.
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
August 12 2013 21:33 GMT
#11279
Ah I see, thanks guys!
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
August 13 2013 03:32 GMT
#11280
On August 13 2013 06:15 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
I see. I really liked Abaddon due to Accursed in HoN (found out they're the same hero when i first started anyway). I was just wondering how is he in dota versus HoN.

Is there heroes that I should (if not, must) learn? I feel like I play a weird set of characters (Spirit Breaker, Bounty Hunter and Juggernaut).


His passive ability is better in dota and his ult auto casts at a certain health threshold
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