Simple Questions, Simple Answers - Page 529

On July 18 2013 19:04 GreenGringo wrote:
New to the game and I have a question: What's the best thing to do when you're counter-picked to fuck? Example: when you're mid lane melee and your opponent has ranged and your spells can't make up the difference. I'm finding this happens a lot when I'm experimenting with new champions.

On July 18 2013 23:01 Mithhaike wrote:


Champions? Wrong section brah. We're the DOTA 2 section, not LoL. Should report you for that

On a serious note:-
a mid lane melee usually has a spell to help clear creep waves. Their job is not to kill the enemy mid 1v1 as per, but to at least make the mid lane a draw where he still gets farm & exp via his spells. Example of good mid melees are DK & Magnus, both of which has a wave clearing spell (shockwave & firebreath), they then bottle crow/attempt to control the runes to enable them to keep spamming their spells.

This should make the mid lane a draw, instead of a outright loss/win because it doesnt really happen when both mids are bottling up.

If you say your spells can't make the difference, your either using the wrong kind of melee heroes in mid lane(which is a auto loss vs any decent range heroes), or you got outplayed in mid.

On July 18 2013 23:50 Comeh wrote:

Typically mid-lane melee's are heavily reliant on bottle-crowing and using their spells in timely fashion to clear creeps for last hits and harass at the same time (whirling axes, breath fire, shockwave). Also, most melee heroes mid have some solid ganking spell, so if you can free your supports on the sidelanes to gank, you usually can set up really solid initation for your fellow mid heroes (though, some require level 6 to stun, of course). Regardless, most melee heroes mid are designed to lose mid, but take away with average last hits and still some solid EXP.

On July 18 2013 23:01 Mithhaike wrote:


Champions? Wrong section brah. We're the DOTA 2 section, not LoL. Should report you for that

On a serious note:-
a mid lane melee usually has a spell to help clear creep waves. Their job is not to kill the enemy mid 1v1 as per, but to at least make the mid lane a draw where he still gets farm & exp via his spells. Example of good mid melees are DK & Magnus, both of which has a wave clearing spell (shockwave & firebreath), they then bottle crow/attempt to control the runes to enable them to keep spamming their spells.

This should make the mid lane a draw, instead of a outright loss/win because it doesnt really happen when both mids are bottling up.

If you say your spells can't make the difference, your either using the wrong kind of melee heroes in mid lane(which is a auto loss vs any decent range heroes), or you got outplayed in mid.

On July 18 2013 23:56 Mithhaike wrote:


Isn't that exactly what I've said? Just saying

On July 19 2013 02:42 Scrandom wrote:
A question about stat gains, I often hear people talking about don't get X items on X hero because they have bad stat gain etc. When I look at the wiki and see a hero has for exmaple str (1.7) does that mean each point of strength really grants that hero 1.7 strength?

On July 19 2013 02:43 TheYango wrote:
No, the +Strength gain listed is the amount of Strength that hero gains on each level-up.

On July 19 2013 02:43 Logo wrote:
It means that on level up the hero gains 1.7 strength.

On July 19 2013 02:47 Scrandom wrote:





Alright, so what do guides and the like mean when it says a hero shouldnt get stat items, I'm assuming they just don't synergize with their skills and nothing more?

On July 18 2013 19:13 Soluhwin wrote:

You're going to have to be more specific. You're either playing a sub-optimal mid hero or are just missing a few key mechanics with whatever that hero may be. A few tips:

Stout shield exists for a reason: To level the playing field in ranged vs melee. It may not look like much, but that damage block is amazing levels 1-3.

Bottle bottle bottle. Any mid matchup can be won by just having more mana to use than the other guy, so make sure you're keeping good rune control and wards are up around the rune spots. If your allies aren't buying wards, don't be afraid to get them yourself even though you're the mid laner. If you can't secure runes and need to refill your bottle, then call the courier over and have it bring the bottle to fountain and back, that will refill it (this is called "bottle crowing").

On July 18 2013 23:01 Mithhaike wrote:


Champions? Wrong section brah. We're the DOTA 2 section, not LoL. Should report you for that

On a serious note:-
a mid lane melee usually has a spell to help clear creep waves. Their job is not to kill the enemy mid 1v1 as per, but to at least make the mid lane a draw where he still gets farm & exp via his spells. Example of good mid melees are DK & Magnus, both of which has a wave clearing spell (shockwave & firebreath), they then bottle crow/attempt to control the runes to enable them to keep spamming their spells.

This should make the mid lane a draw, instead of a outright loss/win because it doesnt really happen when both mids are bottling up.

If you say your spells can't make the difference, your either using the wrong kind of melee heroes in mid lane(which is a auto loss vs any decent range heroes), or you got outplayed in mid.

On July 18 2013 17:05 LAN-f34r wrote:


Don't get null as a starting item, and almost never get it at all (only if you are losing quite badly).

Never get bottle at all. You don't have good rune control, and it restores a pittance amount of mana on OD. Tranquils/mek cover your hp regen, and aura covers most of your mana needs (clarities can work if you are really struggling, but most of the time I find I can get by without them).

If you are getting mek, make it your first big(ish) item.

Sometimes you don't need forcestaff (although its still a good choice). Sometimes getting drums can give you enough survivability if you don't need to get away from certain heroes, and ghost sceptre can also deal with quite a few of the heroes you need to get away from fast (ie ursa). Another option for mobility is blink dagger: it may sound silly, but astraling yourself gets blink off the damage cooldown and let you blink away, and it means you can sometimes catch people who are out of position (astral can prevent them from getting backup, or it can set up until your team gets into position to kill them) + Show Spoiler +. BKB is needed straight up against some teams. Sometimes you can even go straight into hex without getting major survivability items.