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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
May 17 2021 10:32 GMT
#381
They are looking so much better now. GH as usual top notch, sick plays on his Clockwerk and Dark Willow. MC with a statement that he may still be the best offlane-furion in the world(after bulldog of course). Miracle on a hero with hunting potential, running rampant around the map. Kuro with the quality of warding and shotcalling you are expecting from a Captain of his caliber. Iltw also meshing better and better with the team, still some questionable deaths like that one death on TB at mid tier two tower, but he can carry the Team to victory if given the space.

Beating their nemesis OG in such a convincing way should really give them a boost. Let´s cross fingers that they will make the last step as well and secure their invite to the Major...ideally to the group stage to avoid the expected bloodbath in the wildstage-round.

"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 18 2021 23:12 GMT
#382
Sigh, Nigma disappointing again. They're still in it but my God, they're barely making it against Tundra. What happened to the team that had actual results that made people confident in their abilities as a team? Even if they manage this win, I'm not happy with whatever this fucking series was. Has this team even bootcamp at all this season?
lanners
Profile Joined May 2021
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-18 23:22:58
May 18 2021 23:20 GMT
#383
Nigma once again proving they cant be a contender despite looking amazing on a good day. Bad days are just so damn bad. A team that has a better draft, better lanes, and manages to lose and lose again? I was cheering for them to fight for a TI champ, but after today I actually wish they had a chance of getting sent to lower division.

Only way they will make something out of all this is for them to go beyond low. Maybe next year they can work into not having a rollercoaster consistency. Even OG/Secret/Alliance/Liquid don't look half as bad even when they get dismantled.

Shame on Nigma
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 18 2021 23:28 GMT
#384
On May 19 2021 08:20 lanners wrote:
Nigma once again proving they cant be a contender despite looking amazing on a good day. Bad days are just so damn bad. A team that has a better draft, better lanes, and manages to lose and lose again? I was cheering for them to fight for a TI champ, but after today I actually wish they had a chance of getting sent to lower division.

Only way they will make something out of all this is for them to go beyond low. Maybe next year they can work into not having a rollercoaster consistency. Even OG/Secret/Alliance/Liquid don't look half as bad even when they get dismantled.

Shame on Nigma


I don't think Nigma feels shame honestly. They've performed badly for so long, they might even be numb to it. They've hit beyond low before last year when they failed to qualify for the last Minor/Major and they still stuck together as a team. How much more shameless could they possibly be?
lanners
Profile Joined May 2021
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-19 02:01:29
May 19 2021 02:00 GMT
#385
On May 19 2021 08:28 juuto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2021 08:20 lanners wrote:
Nigma once again proving they cant be a contender despite looking amazing on a good day. Bad days are just so damn bad. A team that has a better draft, better lanes, and manages to lose and lose again? I was cheering for them to fight for a TI champ, but after today I actually wish they had a chance of getting sent to lower division.

Only way they will make something out of all this is for them to go beyond low. Maybe next year they can work into not having a rollercoaster consistency. Even OG/Secret/Alliance/Liquid don't look half as bad even when they get dismantled.

Shame on Nigma


I don't think Nigma feels shame honestly. They've performed badly for so long, they might even be numb to it. They've hit beyond low before last year when they failed to qualify for the last Minor/Major and they still stuck together as a team. How much more shameless could they possibly be?


I don't think they feel shame either. To me, that's an issue. They have days of glory and days so bad that I feel my half-a-K MMR could compete. The fact that they are not ashamed of the lows, that it feels that they take it as a "oh well, whatever" is the problem. They should see those lows and jump on them, learn from them. Not allow them to happen over and over again. What was it? Was it just bad calls? Maybe the draft? Or something that happened mid-game? I am tired to see the same issue happen 3 games in a row. And I felt the same when they played Brame.

If they don't wake up they will be out of the Major. And honestly I hope they do. Give them a bit of extra time to prepare for open qualies. After all now it's pretty much the only way they are getting to TI.
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
May 19 2021 06:59 GMT
#386
Before keeping on shitting on Nigma, maybe you should have a a look on the performance of Tundra as well. They took a game from each team in the qualifiers(except Brame) and they have played by FAR their best series against Nigma. As the panel has said, Tundra would have been a serious contender for a major spot if they would have played like this before...decision making, shot calling, itemization and teamfight execution have been on point that series.

Nigma looked much better this season that was actual the only series where they have been outplayed and outclassed in all three games of a series(although claiming a win in the second game). Iltw needs to work on his positioning tho, dying out of position as a Jugg at the same spot several times in game 1 is more than questionable. He redeemed himself in game 2 with his Ember-performance and the loss in game 3 was not his fault as well, giving Kuro the farm priority was not the right move, three more hits on the egg against a solar crested Jugg looks meh. Would have preferred that GH would have get his Aghs to have two bkb/spinning-piercing disables and more cogs to keep them away from the egg. Also MC dying on the bot lane without buyback was a really big mistake, he showed himself far too long on the lane and did not micro his treant properly to see if someone is coming for him.


"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-20 15:15:04
May 20 2021 09:32 GMT
#387
I think game 1 was borderline unplayable as a Jugg and overall a pretty clear outdraft by Tundra. Chrono + Snap/Lina will kill you every time unless Willow fears the backline, which is almost impossible in these engagements where both sides are ready. Jugg also has no good target to omni in this game, the frontline consists of void + abba + tide and the other heroes have long range. Nigma played a pushing draft against a teamfight draft with superior lategame, when Tundra was able to delay the mid-push Nigma basically lost.

Overall I'd say Nigma lost the drafts in game 1 and 3 and won game 2. Miracle had a bad series, but also was drafted quite early with the exception of game 1. MC didn't have a good series either and didn't have that excuse.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
May 21 2021 09:50 GMT
#388
Nigma just posted a video on Insta with Kuro informing that he has arrived at Kiev, guess they will start bootcamping during the next days and at least it will hopefully minimize the risk of someone being infected with COVID-19 and not able to participate in the tournament.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 21 2021 10:59 GMT
#389
On May 21 2021 18:50 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Nigma just posted a video on Insta with Kuro informing that he has arrived at Kiev, guess they will start bootcamping during the next days and at least it will hopefully minimize the risk of someone being infected with COVID-19 and not able to participate in the tournament.


Ah that's cool, I hope Nigma make it far in this one
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derElbe
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany571 Posts
May 22 2021 06:38 GMT
#390
On May 21 2021 18:50 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Nigma just posted a video on Insta with Kuro informing that he has arrived at Kiev, guess they will start bootcamping during the next days and at least it will hopefully minimize the risk of someone being infected with COVID-19 and not able to participate in the tournament.


I would love some more info about that and some updates about the bootcamp.

Do they rent a place or how does this take place usually?
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juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 02 2021 12:34 GMT
#391
Not off to a great start but it was just one game... Their picks were just not good.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-02 18:40:22
June 02 2021 13:56 GMT
#392
Ds felt really out of place for me in the draft, they didn't have a vacc combo and lycan and morph imo don't profit much from surge. IG also didn't really have great illu heroes, surge is good vs doom but that's basically it.
Considering that they noticeably lacked lockdown vs three mobile heroes it was pretty close until eleven had that huge refresher reveal. If he didn't get that play nigma likely take a rax and possibly 2, but that play gave IG the lead and they had better late.

Overall 1:1 against likely a top 4 team in this really stacked wildcard is imo decent, especially considering that they ´came close game 1 and crushed game 2.

Miracle looks beasty btw.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 02 2021 14:54 GMT
#393
Miracle came to play, lol.

Beyond godlike 3 games in a row :D
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 02 2021 21:26 GMT
#394
Super disappointing loss. I don't care if IG won the last major, the wild card stage is brutal, and that 0-2 is going to fucking haunt them. This needs to be the last day Kuro fucks around with these experimental picks, none of them have worked out today even if they won some games. There were too many straight up outdrafts today.
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 03 2021 18:37 GMT
#395
The curse that is being old enough to play WC3 Dota and actually getting baited into taking Dota 2 seriously as an esport when it's run like this.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 03 2021 22:34 GMT
#396
yooooooooooo

That was a sick run by Nigma. Super hyped dude
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 04 2021 05:36 GMT
#397
Nigma hasn't been this good in a very long time. Game to game and series to series with top tier performances in almost every single game that they've played. Their biggest losses were from wonky drafts and/or technical difficulties. They look so good right now.
Merany
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France890 Posts
June 04 2021 07:15 GMT
#398
What a rollercoaster yesterday was!
Glad they made it through in the end albeit in dramatic fashion.
Hopefully this will give them momentum for the group stage
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-05 20:10:21
June 05 2021 19:03 GMT
#399
Well one win and they lost a game in the other series. Pretty good results but again, why are Kuro's drafts losing them games that they play well?

[Edit]: Okay. They lost to TNC. Kuro needs to fix his drafting. It's such an issue this tournament and I understand this is the group stage but they were/are so close to securing a comfortable spot for themselves. Yet they choose to do such wonky shit.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-06 13:06:48
June 06 2021 12:59 GMT
#400
I feel like Nigma's drafting has been an issue for ages. Kuro often underpicks catch and at times goes really heavy on timings, to the point where they loose a crucial lane, loose their timing and everyone afterwards asks, what the point of the draft was.

Which is a shame, because GH looks like one of the best supports in the world and Miracle has been on fire. Hell Kuro himself had some amazing in-game performances and it's not like ILTW and MC aren't pulling their weight.

That being said at times they are imo too 5-man heavy, they get outfarmed by pretty much every team I've seen them play against. One of the reasons they look great when they are ahead and can close out the map, but if the game drags their chances to win plummet.
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