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kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
February 22 2020 00:52 GMT
#181
Overall a really good showing vs a very strong secret team. They missed the timing in game 3 but i think that was secret playing really well as much as it was any problems from nigma.

I hope they fight through the lb. They look like the only teamthat can challenge secret at this event, but we know they also could lose to a-mode if they try hard enough.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
February 22 2020 07:01 GMT
#182
Secret had too much control over the fights! Miracle Slark couldn't catch anyone. Too many Force Staves, E-Blade, Centaur and Lesh had ways to stun even in his Ultimate and even with BKB they could Winter Curse him! That was not a fun game for a Slark!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
February 22 2020 13:31 GMT
#183
What the hell is this game? This is such a waste of time.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-22 13:54:06
February 22 2020 13:39 GMT
#184
On February 22 2020 22:31 SFDuality wrote:
What the hell is this game? This is such a waste of time.


They almost killed enemy mid twice. It was a close game.


This just proves that Nigma will never play on 100% unless its ti.

It is a completly different thing what this tells about your motivation. No proffesional should ever have a mindset of not wanting to win. This shows disrespect to your fans, your sponsors and even to yourselves. Kyle is right to be upset.

I too don't care if they win, i know they can get to TI. But i want to watch good dota, and this was worse than most low MMR pubs. And thats too much even for me... The biggest problem is that because of that kind of dota lateley the interst in dota is going down - just check on the viewer interest in general evein in Majors and the comments in this site... noone bothers, i myself am skipping a lot of games even on my favourite teams... And why is that?
Because top teams are playing like clowns very often...

After all i want to watch good dota, thats all. That kind of mindset ruins the whole scene.

I am thruly deeply disappointed and i am withrawing my support for this team until they prove to me that they want to play good dota no matter what.
SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
February 22 2020 13:47 GMT
#185
Close? What? Were we watching the same game? This isn't on the level of "not playing 100%". This was deliberately drafting and playing to lose. I agree with Kyle for once. This was disrespectful to A. Mode, to their fans, to the viewers, and to the tournament.

It's one thing to experiment and try things out that you think might be good. That's not what this was. Nigma had no interest whatsoever in winning this game, or in using it to improve. What was the point? They just wasted everyone's time.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
February 22 2020 21:42 GMT
#186
I didn't get to watch the games... What are you guys unhappy about?
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12152 Posts
February 22 2020 22:28 GMT
#187
On February 23 2020 06:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
I didn't get to watch the games... What are you guys unhappy about?

juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
February 22 2020 23:27 GMT
#188
Um, am I the only confused here? Nigma has ALWAYS played a few joke games every now and then during the season. So one of them went worse than the others, that doesn't mean it's the end of the world. The outrage over a single game of Dota is just a bit ridiculous, they're human beings who should have the right to enjoy a game of Dota. Maybe they should've tried harder but it was still a single game of Dota. They won the series, learned their lesson, and won the next series with another silly draft.
SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
February 23 2020 12:51 GMT
#189
They can do whatever they want in their pubs (though even there, you're probably going to get reported if you're not trying to win), but to do that in a tournament game - in an elimination series, no less - is spitting on the spirit of competition.

The role swaps in the second game against Gambit were more reasonable, and with an actually serious draft. I have nothing against them if they do that, and actually try to win. But that wasn't the case in the game against A. Mode. The draft was ridiculous, the lanes were ridiculous, and they played like they would much rather be taking a nap. From start to finish they had no interest in winning that game. And that's just wrong in a competitive environment. They're lucky no one's accusing them of match fixing. And if they had lost that third game?

Whatever. It's done, they'll move on, I'll move on, and hopefully they don't pull that shit again.
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
February 23 2020 15:15 GMT
#190
Well they won convincingly against VP and got their revenge. So...now up against Secret again.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
February 23 2020 15:45 GMT
#191
Feels like forever since they've been performing well in a tournament from start to finish even against Secret.
MintberryCrunchs
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany462 Posts
February 23 2020 17:08 GMT
#192
They had a good window in game 1, draft and execution where good up to a certain point.
But you cant make mistakes with a timing push/cheese strat versus Secret, all it takes is 1 real mistake and the game is out of your hand.


MintberryCrunchs
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany462 Posts
February 23 2020 17:51 GMT
#193
10 minutes in and its already looking like game 2 will be a very rough uphill battle for Nigma, if they want to have any chance in the mid game.
But they making some good relocate gangs happen ...
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
February 23 2020 18:04 GMT
#194
This is why Nigma needs to be a Winner's Bracket team. By the time they get through their lower bracket runs, they've played so many more games than the team in the Winner's Bracket and then they have no strats that aren't well known by the enemy team.
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
February 23 2020 19:12 GMT
#195
This time they did not make a mistake...guess Puppey will now ban Io and do not risk that Nigma may tie this series.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
February 23 2020 20:14 GMT
#196
Knew from the start of this LAN that this Nigma was something completely different from what we saw earlier this season. They're accomplishing things that they didn't stand a chance doing last season. Two close series with Secret outside of TI, it's been so long.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
February 23 2020 20:39 GMT
#197
if they win this LAN with a win against secret, it will be even more frustrating to not see them at the Major....
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-23 20:47:42
February 23 2020 20:45 GMT
#198
They should have this.

Somehow after game 2 they switched rolls.
GZ to them finally a sign of life.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 23 2020 21:09 GMT
#199
Congrats to Nigma winning Mad Moon with the reverse sweep of Secret.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
February 23 2020 21:09 GMT
#200
Yay Nigma!
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