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Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
December 08 2014 11:36 GMT
#261
dont even joke about that please :'(
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 08 2014 17:46 GMT
#262
On December 08 2014 20:36 Nomzter wrote:
dont even joke about that please :'(


the curse of ic3
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 08 2014 19:42 GMT
#263
On December 08 2014 19:06 DucK- wrote:
I think vici is the best team in the world now. But here is what's going to happen till ti5.

1. Chinese tournaments are going to start and the Chinese will develop their own meta initially inspired from western scene. The meta will be flawed compared to the west, but those flaws will be ignored because Chinese players are generally more skilled and will make their meta appear better than what it is.

2. Vici drafter will be under pressure from coaches and peers to conform to the Chinese meta instead of drafting what has been working for them. Their performances will deteoriate and the slump begins.

3. They finally decide to ignore the meta and start drafting to their strengths. There will be a resurgence.

4. In ti5 they will again go conservative and follow the meta. They will do badly, wake up and revert their drafts back again, and finish 4th after EG, Secret, and a new Chinese dream team.

TL;DR, Vici 2014/15 will do a DK 2013/14.

you forgot about
5. VG will win so hard and because they don't play the standard Chinese meta teams will not want to scrim them
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
December 08 2014 20:44 GMT
#264
Feels like VG is much closer to what other Chinese teams are doing relative to how different DK was though.

By the end of TS2 their drafts did get more influenced by what Western teams were doing, that's true. We'll have to see when they start playing again on China.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44125 Posts
December 09 2014 13:47 GMT
#265
I have a feeling that VG will crush everything that is not from china but of course will still maintain top dog status in china but doesn't win all the time.

While all decent western team will destroy everything that is not VG and newbee.
this is a quote
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 09 2014 18:31 GMT
#266
On December 08 2014 19:06 DucK- wrote:
I think vici is the best team in the world now. But here is what's going to happen till ti5.

1. Chinese tournaments are going to start and the Chinese will develop their own meta initially inspired from western scene. The meta will be flawed compared to the west, but those flaws will be ignored because Chinese players are generally more skilled and will make their meta appear better than what it is.

2. Vici drafter will be under pressure from coaches and peers to conform to the Chinese meta instead of drafting what has been working for them. Their performances will deteoriate and the slump begins.

3. They finally decide to ignore the meta and start drafting to their strengths. There will be a resurgence.

4. In ti5 they will again go conservative and follow the meta. They will do badly, wake up and revert their drafts back again, and finish 4th after EG, Secret, and a new Chinese dream team.

TL;DR, Vici 2014/15 will do a DK 2013/14.


We don't know if the chinese meta is "inferior"
a common pitfall is to look at something you don't understand, and label it as inferior because you cannot comprehend it.

until we see a good few matches with chinese team vs western teams, we cannot say which meta is better.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
December 09 2014 18:59 GMT
#267
i wouldnt even go so far and say that the metas are very different at this moment. i would have said that venge was a pick that vici picked after seeing eg and c9 play. but the chinese tournament that was going on at the same time featured a bunch of venge picks primarily by cdec. cdec also drafted pa and wisp a couple of times

i think we cant really say too much about the chinese meta right now. they just dont play many tournaments these days..
FTD
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 09 2014 19:34 GMT
#268
VG well positionned to qualify for SL too, gogo
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 10 2014 04:36 GMT
#269
Does anyone know which heroes black plays badly? Its relatively easy for him to shine as he has a great team supporting him, but credit must be given when due and he has played very well. Probably the most improved player in the past year?
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 10:09:56
December 10 2014 10:07 GMT
#270
On December 10 2014 13:36 DucK- wrote:
Does anyone know which heroes black plays badly? ?

LD. Though I'm not really sure when was the last time he playe it though.
Black is good and extremely skilled, top 2 in the world atm imo but he's not as solid as I would like.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
December 10 2014 10:48 GMT
#271
On December 08 2014 19:06 DucK- wrote:
I think vici is the best team in the world now. But here is what's going to happen till ti5.

1. Chinese tournaments are going to start and the Chinese will develop their own meta initially inspired from western scene. The meta will be flawed compared to the west, but those flaws will be ignored because Chinese players are generally more skilled and will make their meta appear better than what it is.

2. Vici drafter will be under pressure from coaches and peers to conform to the Chinese meta instead of drafting what has been working for them. Their performances will deteoriate and the slump begins.

3. They finally decide to ignore the meta and start drafting to their strengths. There will be a resurgence.

4. In ti5 they will again go conservative and follow the meta. They will do badly, wake up and revert their drafts back again, and finish 4th after EG, Secret, and a new Chinese dream team.

TL;DR, Vici 2014/15 will do a DK 2013/14.

well i may as well go to sleep for the next year and wake up after ti5
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Moustache Cash Stash
Profile Joined February 2014
United States222 Posts
December 10 2014 15:14 GMT
#272
So is brood mother a must ban against Vici in every game? Is iceiceice just really good with the hero or is she actually viable now, because I haven't really seen any other team play her (I think Universe played her once in the Summit 2).
You got a 4x multicast? You must be so good at Dota.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
December 10 2014 17:25 GMT
#273
On December 11 2014 00:14 Moustache Cash Stash wrote:
So is brood mother a must ban against Vici in every game? Is iceiceice just really good with the hero or is she actually viable now, because I haven't really seen any other team play her (I think Universe played her once in the Summit 2).

Brood has always been viable as a late pick. The difference between Iceiceice and everyone else is that he believes even when the enemy has more than 1 wave clearer he can still micro his spiderlings to avoid the damage.

Considering how he 1v2 and still got kills in the offlane with DK it's safe to say there is also a player imbalance that can't be ignored.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 13 2014 09:59 GMT
#274
I've discovered super's secret weapon.
it's buyback tpboot.

draft necrolyte vs Vici to ensure high winrate lol!
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
cbk486
Profile Joined July 2014
154 Posts
December 14 2014 18:25 GMT
#275
What the hell was that shit in Starladder...
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
December 14 2014 22:55 GMT
#276
On December 15 2014 03:25 cbk486 wrote:
What the hell was that shit in Starladder...

word on the street is that some teams dont wanna go to the finals
FTD
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 15 2014 14:53 GMT
#277
On December 15 2014 07:55 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 03:25 cbk486 wrote:
What the hell was that shit in Starladder...

word on the street is that some teams dont wanna go to the finals


This may or may not have happened last SL
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 16 2014 01:42 GMT
#278
On December 15 2014 23:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 07:55 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On December 15 2014 03:25 cbk486 wrote:
What the hell was that shit in Starladder...

word on the street is that some teams dont wanna go to the finals


This may or may not have happened last SL


if VG didn't want to go to SL XI they could've started throwing during the grp stage and save themselves the trouble?
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 16 2014 02:05 GMT
#279
On December 15 2014 03:25 cbk486 wrote:
What the hell was that shit in Starladder...


apparently super was really sick and black was nursing an injured hand. not confirmed.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 16 2014 08:22 GMT
#280
Iceiceice streaming with a party of 5. One of them is Black, the other names not sure... But might be the whole VG crew. Really excited for this.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
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