On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
I don't dislike Secret as a team at all. As individuals the only one I can't stand is Puppey, just because of his stupid personality in interviews. I can't stand his sense of humor and the way he treats everyone and answer questions, I hate that of him, but that has nothing to do with his performance or capability.
I just don't see the point in talking about Xboct suckiness over and over and over, we have been done with this like four times now. But this is a forum and it is not up to me what we discuss here. Everyone is free to express their opinions for the tenth time if they want to. For me I will repeat myself as many times as the others, and so did I.
Would be great to have something like a desires list here, with the most wanted things by the community, for instance: 1. Kick Xboct 2. Kick Xboct 3. Hire N0tail 4. Win TI5 5. Kick Xboct
On January 10 2015 11:55 danl9rm wrote: Biggest drama so far is between you two.
+1
On January 10 2015 13:23 bardtown wrote: I want:
1. Loda 2. Dendi 3. Funn1k 4. Akke 5. BDN
It's kind of a shame to have so many T1 players split across so many teams with players who aren't quite on the same level.
1. Funn1k 2. Dendi 3. Bulldog 4. Kuroky 5. BDN
For me Funnik has the capability to play a good carry role, I like Bulldogs Offlane so much and I always loved Kuro as support.
I always hoped and still hope to see in the future a team with BDN and Dendi, I have the feeling that will be awesome.
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
did I miss something here, is there a link for this ?
yes, I am lazy to google for it myself
e: even though I find it funny, if I were Puppey I would be mad at xbox/dendi for basically throwing the TI3 win out of the window because all Dendi wanted is to kill A players instead of taking objectives (a per AB commentary last week, which kuro wanted and Dendi mentioned that in the post TI3 int that he was told to go nack to the pit for Rosh, but it was already too late and they blew it in game 5) and XBOX being XBOX and ignoring command to go top lane, but hey seems everybody was mad at everybody there
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
did I miss something here, is there a link for this ?
yes, I am lazy to google for it myself
e: even though I find it funny, if I were Puppey I would be mad at xbox/dendi for basically throwing the TI3 win out of the window because all Dendi wanted is to kill A players instead of taking objectives (a per AB commentary last week, which kuro wanted and Dendi mentioned that in the post TI3 int that he was told to go nack to the pit for Rosh, but it was already too late and they blew it in game 5) and XBOX being XBOX and ignoring command to go top lane, but hey seems everybody was mad at everybody there
Whatever, Alliance won just because of s4 stopping tps twice, anything else is irrelevant, they were going to win if not for s4's puck
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
did I miss something here, is there a link for this ?
yes, I am lazy to google for it myself
e: even though I find it funny, if I were Puppey I would be mad at xbox/dendi for basically throwing the TI3 win out of the window because all Dendi wanted is to kill A players instead of taking objectives (a per AB commentary last week, which kuro wanted and Dendi mentioned that in the post TI3 int that he was told to go nack to the pit for Rosh, but it was already too late and they blew it in game 5) and XBOX being XBOX and ignoring command to go top lane, but hey seems everybody was mad at everybody there
start at 36 mins for the Na'Vi part. It's pretty clear that Dendi and Xboct did not agree with Puppey at all. it's overall quite tragic.
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
did I miss something here, is there a link for this ?
yes, I am lazy to google for it myself
e: even though I find it funny, if I were Puppey I would be mad at xbox/dendi for basically throwing the TI3 win out of the window because all Dendi wanted is to kill A players instead of taking objectives (a per AB commentary last week, which kuro wanted and Dendi mentioned that in the post TI3 int that he was told to go nack to the pit for Rosh, but it was already too late and they blew it in game 5) and XBOX being XBOX and ignoring command to go top lane, but hey seems everybody was mad at everybody there
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
did I miss something here, is there a link for this ?
yes, I am lazy to google for it myself
e: even though I find it funny, if I were Puppey I would be mad at xbox/dendi for basically throwing the TI3 win out of the window because all Dendi wanted is to kill A players instead of taking objectives (a per AB commentary last week, which kuro wanted and Dendi mentioned that in the post TI3 int that he was told to go nack to the pit for Rosh, but it was already too late and they blew it in game 5) and XBOX being XBOX and ignoring command to go top lane, but hey seems everybody was mad at everybody there
Whatever, Alliance won just because of s4 stopping tps twice, anything else is irrelevant, they were going to win if not for s4's puck
I don't agree, and neither would AB and he actually played that game, well whatever, it doesn't matter everybody can have their own opinion so it's ok
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
did I miss something here, is there a link for this ?
yes, I am lazy to google for it myself
e: even though I find it funny, if I were Puppey I would be mad at xbox/dendi for basically throwing the TI3 win out of the window because all Dendi wanted is to kill A players instead of taking objectives (a per AB commentary last week, which kuro wanted and Dendi mentioned that in the post TI3 int that he was told to go nack to the pit for Rosh, but it was already too late and they blew it in game 5) and XBOX being XBOX and ignoring command to go top lane, but hey seems everybody was mad at everybody there
Whatever, Alliance won just because of s4 stopping tps twice, anything else is irrelevant, they were going to win if not for s4's puck
Actually no. Alliance won because dendi had no tp scroll. The second coil was the only relevant one in that it sealed the deal, but navi had already long loss the game.
On January 09 2015 03:58 Racket wrote: I like how easy sounds all that you people are saying. Its kind of a math formula, using this equation here and doing this and that then X is equal to Y.
Nice job.
NaVi has its drama that for sure and no one can deny it, but now I am gonna hang out in Team Secret's discussion and see how you are dealing with the drama there. Quite hot at the moment, I wonder if it is related in any way to NaVi's past-current drama, maybe its contagious and any guy how was once part of the team takes it to his new team. I don't know....
Lol, I like how you're the only 1 constantly defending NaVi and shooting on secret. Shows how big a NaVi fan boy u r. But comparing the dramas NaVi has to secret's. "I have fun playing the game for the first time after a long time...." -> Proceeds to kicking fng. Well but the community needs some1 like u. Cheers :D
Oh man, people constantly build speeches based on what is not said instead on what is specifically said. I never defended NaVi, in fact I recognized that there is a lot of drama around and big problems prior and post TI4. What I am pointing here is that a lot of former NaVi fans (now turned to Team Secret) reappeared here after a long time just to go again into the same old story about how much Xboct sucks (we all agree on that) and how much time has passed since he got the lottery ticket to get kicked out.
Some specific insights, they said the were having fun, and just after some patch changes the meta didn't fit Fng's draft as stated by Dendi on the airport interview and Fng didn't want to adapt, that is when Dendi began to draft and, once again, Fng was against this kind of draft because it wasn't as aggressive as he wanted to play, I guess that is what made them decide to kick him and hire Goblak (mixed with the overrun suffered against VP.P commanded by Goblak himself).
About the dramas... I don't hear Xboct, Dendi, Funnik, Puppey or Kuroky talking about their affairs, its all in the community, so whether you like it or not, NaVi has drama as much as Team Secret had this past week with the roster changes but in another sense, they kicked out someone, a decision that the community found by no means acceptable. The community didn't want N0tail out of TS as much as they want Xboct out of NaVi. In fact I was completely against TS kicking N0tail, I respect him so much and admire his performance since before Fnatic being disbanded. And I am rooting for the Xboct kick since some time already.
On January 09 2015 11:27 Shergal wrote: Maybe people could just accept that Dendi and XBOCT are just washed-up and they need a serious re-evaluation of how they approach the game if they want to accomplish anything other than retirement.
The recent comments by Dendi on his stream shed light on how behind he is. I think the last time he actually knew what the meta was about was TI3
The recent comments by Dendi just strengthen how much he dislikes the bot farming experience with little early action shown in the last patches. I am sure he he hates rightclicks heroes and the good shape they showed the past months. If you think Dendi is washed up because he is not as good with Lycan as RTZ then you should think about his Tinker (that got nerfed lately), he didn't seem washed up at that time. And I believe it is all about the animistic state of each player and the comfort they find with each meta. We will see once again when the meta turns around, maybe in a year or so.
I did not build a speech based on what is not said. U always seem to suddenly post something that indirectly shoots on secret showing how much u dislike them and then linking it to NaVi's previous problem. I don't there's any point arguing on that though so I'll just leave it there
I was a Fnatic fan and a big N0tail fan. I supported secret when N0tail and s4 went there and supports c9 now as N0tail is there. As big of a notail fan I am, it's ridiculous for u to call kicking players a drama just because u don't think it's agreeable by the community. I am sad that notail has to leave secret and definitely thinks secret will do better with him in it. Secret wanted zai, and zai rtz r a packaged deal, so I understand the switch. minor to non drama there. While kicking fng, and we know further change might come soon for the Navi lineup, that's drama...
Why ? it happens in every sports, you will be surprised how many times a player can change of team
the drama comes from the community and it actually shows how childish it is, its business, pure and disgusting business
Yeah I don't see why that's actually drama?
I guess that Russian Documentary revealed how mad Xboct/Dendi was at Puppey, but I don't think they feel that way about fng or Goblak but I could be wrong...
did I miss something here, is there a link for this ?
yes, I am lazy to google for it myself
e: even though I find it funny, if I were Puppey I would be mad at xbox/dendi for basically throwing the TI3 win out of the window because all Dendi wanted is to kill A players instead of taking objectives (a per AB commentary last week, which kuro wanted and Dendi mentioned that in the post TI3 int that he was told to go nack to the pit for Rosh, but it was already too late and they blew it in game 5) and XBOX being XBOX and ignoring command to go top lane, but hey seems everybody was mad at everybody there
Whatever, Alliance won just because of s4 stopping tps twice, anything else is irrelevant, they were going to win if not for s4's puck
Actually no. Alliance won because dendi had no tp scroll. The second coil was the only relevant one in that it sealed the deal, but navi had already long loss the game.
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