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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 21:17:00
October 13 2014 21:08 GMT
#741
Well Dendi is streaming today so I guess it's all good.

Speaking of which he is playing techies time now. Should be entertaining.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
October 20 2014 07:46 GMT
#742
I dunno but I think Dendi's drafts have been very standard but solid. He's drafting heroes that fit Na'Vi's playstyle yet still are able in the meta (FNG I think caved in too much to personal preferences and ignored the meta too much)... If Na'Vi continue to practice and Dendi grows as a drafter, I think they might become a good enough team~ only good enough is a very subjective term :/
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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 20 2014 15:23 GMT
#743
On October 20 2014 16:46 Bisu-Fan wrote:
I dunno but I think Dendi's drafts have been very standard but solid. He's drafting heroes that fit Na'Vi's playstyle yet still are able in the meta (FNG I think caved in too much to personal preferences and ignored the meta too much)... If Na'Vi continue to practice and Dendi grows as a drafter, I think they might become a good enough team~ only good enough is a very subjective term :/


I hope so, hope is the last we should lose.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 20 2014 16:02 GMT
#744
On October 20 2014 16:46 Bisu-Fan wrote:
I dunno but I think Dendi's drafts have been very standard but solid. He's drafting heroes that fit Na'Vi's playstyle yet still are able in the meta (FNG I think caved in too much to personal preferences and ignored the meta too much)... If Na'Vi continue to practice and Dendi grows as a drafter, I think they might become a good enough team~ only good enough is a very subjective term :/

How much has Dendi been drafting? I keep missing recent games. Certainly I have faith in his game knowledge, intelligence, and leadership to do it but those are only the ingredients to good drafting.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
October 20 2014 21:23 GMT
#745
On October 21 2014 01:02 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 16:46 Bisu-Fan wrote:
I dunno but I think Dendi's drafts have been very standard but solid. He's drafting heroes that fit Na'Vi's playstyle yet still are able in the meta (FNG I think caved in too much to personal preferences and ignored the meta too much)... If Na'Vi continue to practice and Dendi grows as a drafter, I think they might become a good enough team~ only good enough is a very subjective term :/

How much has Dendi been drafting? I keep missing recent games. Certainly I have faith in his game knowledge, intelligence, and leadership to do it but those are only the ingredients to good drafting.

He first drafted in ESL One G1 against Vici, which they lost. After that FNG drafted for 4 games (they went 2-2 the 2 losses going to Vici). Since then Dendi's drafted the past 7 games where they've gone 6-1 (the loss against Team Secret). The 6 victories have come against, Fnatic 3 times and PR 3 times... Sure it's not the best opposition, but W's are W's right?
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 20 2014 21:27 GMT
#746
Well that's good. I don't think this is something that comes naturally to Dendi but with the current roster, if he can learn quickly he is probably the only one capable of making creative drafts work. And if they're going to be competitive at a tier one level this year, it's going to be because their drafts got less CIS-stacky.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 20 2014 22:49 GMT
#747
If Dendi drafted for them vs PR in D2CL, he's decent. Except for that AA mid pick last game. That was hard to watch after the laning phase.
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#748
I wouldn't be surprised if Navi is drafting more by committee than one person's decisions right now. FNG seemed put off by all the pressure he was under, so lifting some of that will help.
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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
October 21 2014 21:49 GMT
#749
On October 21 2014 07:49 EnumaAvalon wrote:
If Dendi drafted for them vs PR in D2CL, he's decent. Except for that AA mid pick last game. That was hard to watch after the laning phase.

Well AA mid used to be a thing and it's COMPLETELY against this meta, but it still worked its purpose of wrecking the early game. Ideally, they would have ended it right then, but 6.82 thinks otherwise they got the win eventually, but yeah~ that was very throwback-y
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 21 2014 22:44 GMT
#750
On October 22 2014 06:49 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 07:49 EnumaAvalon wrote:
If Dendi drafted for them vs PR in D2CL, he's decent. Except for that AA mid pick last game. That was hard to watch after the laning phase.

Well AA mid used to be a thing and it's COMPLETELY against this meta, but it still worked its purpose of wrecking the early game. Ideally, they would have ended it right then, but 6.82 thinks otherwise they got the win eventually, but yeah~ that was very throwback-y

I remember Dendi AA back in TI1.

Also, that game vs alliance was no fun!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 21 2014 23:43 GMT
#751
What's next, Dendi back on Rubick mid?

...please?
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 22 2014 02:45 GMT
#752
On October 22 2014 08:43 FHDH wrote:
What's next, Dendi back on Rubick mid?

...please?

I just don't think it fits the meta anymore No more blink ravages/blink black holes. Mids now need to be great midgame heroes/pushers. Lanaya is a good fit actually, since she can shut down the enemy mid and great at killing midgame.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
October 22 2014 03:59 GMT
#753
On October 22 2014 11:45 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 08:43 FHDH wrote:
What's next, Dendi back on Rubick mid?

...please?

I just don't think it fits the meta anymore No more blink ravages/blink black holes. Mids now need to be great midgame heroes/pushers. Lanaya is a good fit actually, since she can shut down the enemy mid and great at killing midgame.

yeah curse Arteezy for changing the role of the mid... I think Dendi's found a decent enough balance between his style and the meta. He just needs a tempo mid than can become a semi carry... like storm spirit, lanaya, qop (maybe...), etc
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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 22 2014 07:54 GMT
#754
As long as Dendi keeps improving his draft and the team grows stronger, I will be happy. We can't expect him to be a Tier1 drafter just because we want NaVi to win. It took Ppy some time to earn his title and it will also take Dendi some time to reach a level comparable to any other Tier1 drafter.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 22 2014 11:19 GMT
#755
On October 22 2014 16:54 Racket wrote:
As long as Dendi keeps improving his draft and the team grows stronger, I will be happy. We can't expect him to be a Tier1 drafter just because we want NaVi to win. It took Ppy some time to earn his title and it will also take Dendi some time to reach a level comparable to any other Tier1 drafter.

I agree, I hope he improves. I also hope he took notes when Puppey was godlike at drafting.

Still, SL lan finals should be interesting. They should make it out of their group above VP and Exacration
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 22 2014 12:44 GMT
#756
On October 22 2014 20:19 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 16:54 Racket wrote:
As long as Dendi keeps improving his draft and the team grows stronger, I will be happy. We can't expect him to be a Tier1 drafter just because we want NaVi to win. It took Ppy some time to earn his title and it will also take Dendi some time to reach a level comparable to any other Tier1 drafter.

I agree, I hope he improves. I also hope he took notes when Puppey was godlike at drafting.

Still, SL lan finals should be interesting. They should make it out of their group above VP and Exacration


Yes, I think that without NewBee and Vici out we have chances of going through group stage.
drusalnik
Profile Joined July 2014
Bulgaria133 Posts
October 22 2014 16:21 GMT
#757
On October 22 2014 21:44 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 20:19 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On October 22 2014 16:54 Racket wrote:
As long as Dendi keeps improving his draft and the team grows stronger, I will be happy. We can't expect him to be a Tier1 drafter just because we want NaVi to win. It took Ppy some time to earn his title and it will also take Dendi some time to reach a level comparable to any other Tier1 drafter.

I agree, I hope he improves. I also hope he took notes when Puppey was godlike at drafting.

Still, SL lan finals should be interesting. They should make it out of their group above VP and Exacration


Yes, I think that without NewBee and Vici out we have chances of going through group stage.


So in order for Na'Vi to advance there should be no tier1 teams in the event?
What has become of Na'Vi lately is just so pathetic .

I feel for their fans but then again there isn't a singe CIS team at the moment that can contest the likes of the China/EG/c9(when they don't trow).
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 22 2014 20:21 GMT
#758
On October 23 2014 01:21 drusalnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 21:44 Racket wrote:
On October 22 2014 20:19 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On October 22 2014 16:54 Racket wrote:
As long as Dendi keeps improving his draft and the team grows stronger, I will be happy. We can't expect him to be a Tier1 drafter just because we want NaVi to win. It took Ppy some time to earn his title and it will also take Dendi some time to reach a level comparable to any other Tier1 drafter.

I agree, I hope he improves. I also hope he took notes when Puppey was godlike at drafting.

Still, SL lan finals should be interesting. They should make it out of their group above VP and Exacration


Yes, I think that without NewBee and Vici out we have chances of going through group stage.


So in order for Na'Vi to advance there should be no tier1 teams in the event?
What has become of Na'Vi lately is just so pathetic .

I feel for their fans but then again there isn't a singe CIS team at the moment that can contest the likes of the China/EG/c9(when they don't trow).


Errrrmmmmhh, no. I just think that Na`Vi is not in a position where they can beat for sure Newbee and Secret.

What has become? I guess a new team.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 22 2014 20:47 GMT
#759
On October 22 2014 21:44 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 20:19 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On October 22 2014 16:54 Racket wrote:
As long as Dendi keeps improving his draft and the team grows stronger, I will be happy. We can't expect him to be a Tier1 drafter just because we want NaVi to win. It took Ppy some time to earn his title and it will also take Dendi some time to reach a level comparable to any other Tier1 drafter.

I agree, I hope he improves. I also hope he took notes when Puppey was godlike at drafting.

Still, SL lan finals should be interesting. They should make it out of their group above VP and Exacration


Yes, I think that without NewBee and Vici out we have chances of going through group stage.

Well, every team advances from the group stage
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
October 23 2014 07:22 GMT
#760
On October 22 2014 16:54 Racket wrote:
As long as Dendi keeps improving his draft and the team grows stronger, I will be happy. We can't expect him to be a Tier1 drafter just because we want NaVi to win. It took Ppy some time to earn his title and it will also take Dendi some time to reach a level comparable to any other Tier1 drafter.

What do you mean it took Puppey time to earn his title? He was famous from dota1. He did really well even with no name teams.
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