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i would love to see Resolut1on with the Na'Vi tag 
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On October 06 2014 02:51 Faruko wrote:i would love to see Resolut1on with the Na'Vi tag
I would love to see funn1k with the Empire tag again, but we can't have everything.
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On October 05 2014 19:05 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 17:51 Racket wrote:On October 05 2014 15:54 TrainSamurai wrote:On October 05 2014 09:40 Racket wrote:
I think the same. It is in-between.
If I had to express my opinion, I find Xboct decision making as inexcusable as Ppy's drafting. Of course multiple assumptions can be made from our end, but from what Dendi said about Goblak-Ppy interaction I don't imagine Ppy asking anyone to practice specific heroes, but instead him being him, as he shows himself in every interview.
Again, before thinking about anyone else we must think about ourselves, and extending that to Ppy, I never saw him play Mirana-Bane duo and I saw them struggle and suck against that duo way before TI4, and I have only seen him pick Rhasta once, with a sad performance from Kky.
Regarding the team helping him with drafts, I can say that on those games were he/they weren't outdrafted hard, his or support's movements sucked so hard that even watching any core is meaningless. Ppy/Kky lost many matches on their own just on a 2v2 against the enemy's support duo.
Yes, Dendi was not Dendi. Funn1k didn't perform with Doom and NP as he does now. Xboct being Xboct but worse.
My point is, past and present are no excuse for a specific point in time. So old Xboct is no excuse for current Xboct and current Ppy is no excuse for old Ppy. Excusing them with those arguments is something I do not do neither accept. Now you're just talking out of your ass. 1: Navi did bootcamp. Maybe they should have went china again, o wait no XBOCT complains about china too much. 2: Before TI thier record wasn't even that bad, if you don't believe me just go to the Na'Vi record and remove all Navi vs EG games. 3. Navi were one of the first to start picking skywraith mage who later on became top tier. It isn't like they ran out of ideas. Saying his drafts are bad is your opinion, at Ti4 chuan said he admires puppey's ability to keep up with the meta and drafting skills so I don't really think the drafts are as bad as people making it out to be. 4. Na'Vi still reached top 8, same rank as iG the ESL ONE winners. 5. There have been interviews before TI4 with dendi that clearly show puppey talks to him about what to practice. For example he once complained that puppey and him agreed qop was strong and dendi should practice it but puppey went on to never pick it. Pudge countering gyro was also Puppey's and Dendi's idea. 6.After they lost Ti3 Funn1k was happy and Dendi cheered up kuroky. The only guy who went on twitter calling other people idiots for throwing away his hard earnt victory was XBOCT. Ironic since he was suppose to go top because Puppey predicted the lanes correctly. Most of thier problems happened after TI3 when there was a schism and that can't be blamed on just one person. You are wrong, I am talking about the last three or four months before the split. They didn't play crap, I never said that. 1. NaVi did one bootcamp before TI4. 2. I never said their record was that bad. I said Ppy's draft was never on par with his draft back to before TI3. 3. I don't care what ChuaN says, and of course is my opinion, I didn't say he wasn't able to keep up, I said he didn't adapt. If you think he was able to keep up with the meta at the time before and during TI4 well, your opinion may be as off the mark as mine. How come the majority of the community says he was outdrafted? Isn't that drafting bad? He can have bad years too, deal with it man. 4. I never said top 8 is a bad spot. Given their performance I am happy they were able to reach it. 5. Practice QoP? Are you saying that his QoP was on par with his DP or something like that? I am talking about never played heroes. And by practice I mean team practice, the practice they used to do before TI3. You could even see them playing pubs together on stream. 6. I don't care. I DON'T DEFEND XBOCT! How many times do I have to say it? If you are in love with Ppy is your problem not mine. And if you want to extend time for your arguments and take into account more than six months before the split then you are doing specifically what I said not to do. Because excusing them with their best image is wrong. As it is excusing them with their current performance. 1. So yes they did prepare? Or maybe they did nothing during the bootcamp cause of the crappy environment caused by more than 1 player? 2+3. Didn't adapt????? Navi was one of the first teams to use skywraith mage. Who is now one of the most heavily picked support? Thats right skywraith mage. They had shitty play with decent picks. 3. Majority of the community is shit at this game. Only 1% is above 4.1k mmr, Have u even seen the difference between top pub stars and pros? Fact is pro >>> everyone except for a few pubstars, thats why I put more weight in Chuan's opinion rather than some random noob. I can't believe you're going with the community over Chuan. 4. I was simply listing achievements to show that they're weren't really doing that bad relative to the west, everyone except EG got stomped by the chinese. 5. Yea the point of this bullet point was to show they actually discussed picks with each other. Saying ppy ignores his team mates just means you never really followed the team, I've watched almost every Na'Vi interview since 6 months after TI2 and they use to talk about picks with each other. And how the hell do you even know what they play in scrims. You're just speculating. 6. The point is that it is not just one person to blame. No matter how bad it got did you see Kuro and Ppy go on twitter/facebook calling his team mate retards and threatening to kick them? But sure lets all just blame one person, it is never XBOCT's fault. I was a Na'Vi fan thats why I don't like people retarded stuff, none of us knows what really happened thats why I called you out on your speculating. Fact is the pros are more in the know than we will ever be, if ppy was such a huge asshole do you think he could even get another team?
I don't get what you want. You want people to stop looking back? Okay how about this: Ignoring the past, Na'Vi is a T 1.5 team right now. I don't trust Na'Vi to win any tournament at the moment and they went from being top 3 western team to fall behind EG, C9, TT, TS, Alliance. It's close with VP and Empire. They have recently mainly beaten T2 or T3 teams. I mean even a win against LGD would have been followed by a loss against VG. Barely anything seems to work, whether it's supports roaming or ganks and whatnot.
Is that what you want?
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On October 06 2014 05:35 zdfgucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 19:05 TrainSamurai wrote:On October 05 2014 17:51 Racket wrote:On October 05 2014 15:54 TrainSamurai wrote:On October 05 2014 09:40 Racket wrote:
I think the same. It is in-between.
If I had to express my opinion, I find Xboct decision making as inexcusable as Ppy's drafting. Of course multiple assumptions can be made from our end, but from what Dendi said about Goblak-Ppy interaction I don't imagine Ppy asking anyone to practice specific heroes, but instead him being him, as he shows himself in every interview.
Again, before thinking about anyone else we must think about ourselves, and extending that to Ppy, I never saw him play Mirana-Bane duo and I saw them struggle and suck against that duo way before TI4, and I have only seen him pick Rhasta once, with a sad performance from Kky.
Regarding the team helping him with drafts, I can say that on those games were he/they weren't outdrafted hard, his or support's movements sucked so hard that even watching any core is meaningless. Ppy/Kky lost many matches on their own just on a 2v2 against the enemy's support duo.
Yes, Dendi was not Dendi. Funn1k didn't perform with Doom and NP as he does now. Xboct being Xboct but worse.
My point is, past and present are no excuse for a specific point in time. So old Xboct is no excuse for current Xboct and current Ppy is no excuse for old Ppy. Excusing them with those arguments is something I do not do neither accept. Now you're just talking out of your ass. 1: Navi did bootcamp. Maybe they should have went china again, o wait no XBOCT complains about china too much. 2: Before TI thier record wasn't even that bad, if you don't believe me just go to the Na'Vi record and remove all Navi vs EG games. 3. Navi were one of the first to start picking skywraith mage who later on became top tier. It isn't like they ran out of ideas. Saying his drafts are bad is your opinion, at Ti4 chuan said he admires puppey's ability to keep up with the meta and drafting skills so I don't really think the drafts are as bad as people making it out to be. 4. Na'Vi still reached top 8, same rank as iG the ESL ONE winners. 5. There have been interviews before TI4 with dendi that clearly show puppey talks to him about what to practice. For example he once complained that puppey and him agreed qop was strong and dendi should practice it but puppey went on to never pick it. Pudge countering gyro was also Puppey's and Dendi's idea. 6.After they lost Ti3 Funn1k was happy and Dendi cheered up kuroky. The only guy who went on twitter calling other people idiots for throwing away his hard earnt victory was XBOCT. Ironic since he was suppose to go top because Puppey predicted the lanes correctly. Most of thier problems happened after TI3 when there was a schism and that can't be blamed on just one person. You are wrong, I am talking about the last three or four months before the split. They didn't play crap, I never said that. 1. NaVi did one bootcamp before TI4. 2. I never said their record was that bad. I said Ppy's draft was never on par with his draft back to before TI3. 3. I don't care what ChuaN says, and of course is my opinion, I didn't say he wasn't able to keep up, I said he didn't adapt. If you think he was able to keep up with the meta at the time before and during TI4 well, your opinion may be as off the mark as mine. How come the majority of the community says he was outdrafted? Isn't that drafting bad? He can have bad years too, deal with it man. 4. I never said top 8 is a bad spot. Given their performance I am happy they were able to reach it. 5. Practice QoP? Are you saying that his QoP was on par with his DP or something like that? I am talking about never played heroes. And by practice I mean team practice, the practice they used to do before TI3. You could even see them playing pubs together on stream. 6. I don't care. I DON'T DEFEND XBOCT! How many times do I have to say it? If you are in love with Ppy is your problem not mine. And if you want to extend time for your arguments and take into account more than six months before the split then you are doing specifically what I said not to do. Because excusing them with their best image is wrong. As it is excusing them with their current performance. 1. So yes they did prepare? Or maybe they did nothing during the bootcamp cause of the crappy environment caused by more than 1 player? 2+3. Didn't adapt????? Navi was one of the first teams to use skywraith mage. Who is now one of the most heavily picked support? Thats right skywraith mage. They had shitty play with decent picks. 3. Majority of the community is shit at this game. Only 1% is above 4.1k mmr, Have u even seen the difference between top pub stars and pros? Fact is pro >>> everyone except for a few pubstars, thats why I put more weight in Chuan's opinion rather than some random noob. I can't believe you're going with the community over Chuan. 4. I was simply listing achievements to show that they're weren't really doing that bad relative to the west, everyone except EG got stomped by the chinese. 5. Yea the point of this bullet point was to show they actually discussed picks with each other. Saying ppy ignores his team mates just means you never really followed the team, I've watched almost every Na'Vi interview since 6 months after TI2 and they use to talk about picks with each other. And how the hell do you even know what they play in scrims. You're just speculating. 6. The point is that it is not just one person to blame. No matter how bad it got did you see Kuro and Ppy go on twitter/facebook calling his team mate retards and threatening to kick them? But sure lets all just blame one person, it is never XBOCT's fault. I was a Na'Vi fan thats why I don't like people retarded stuff, none of us knows what really happened thats why I called you out on your speculating. Fact is the pros are more in the know than we will ever be, if ppy was such a huge asshole do you think he could even get another team? I don't get what you want. You want people to stop looking back? Okay how about this: Ignoring the past, Na'Vi is a T 1.5 team right now. I don't trust Na'Vi to win any tournament at the moment and they went from being top 3 western team to fall behind EG, C9, TT, TS, Alliance. It's close with VP and Empire. They have recently mainly beaten T2 or T3 teams. I mean even a win against LGD would have been followed by a loss against VG. Barely anything seems to work, whether it's supports roaming or ganks and whatnot. Is that what you want?
I totally agree with you. They are T 1.5, I never expected them to, just after a rooster change, win any tournament or own any other team. I am cheering for them and hoping Fng and Vanskor find their place of comfort in a team with a long and important history.
I will wait for them to grow at their own pace and at the same time I hope Xboct stops his nonsense, I just ask him to take one step back, just one.
As long as the new guys grow confident and begin to understand how the other three function I believe they will get better and find their place between the T1 teams. Let's not forget both guys are really young compared to the others.
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Watching Dota is becoming something really bothersome with all this DDoS and that stuff...
I hate people so much these days.
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I missed the first game.
I enjoyed the second.
I felt already since the draft that they were going to lose.
Off topic: BigDaddy plays such a good Earthshaker.
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I guess I missed Na'Vi's entire participation in this LAN.
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at least hvost having fun kappa
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On October 10 2014 05:29 OzVelas wrote:
at least hvost having fun kappa
Established this is what's important.
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On October 10 2014 05:29 OzVelas wrote:
at least hvost having fun kappa
User was warned for this post
What kind of warning did he receive?
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On October 10 2014 06:10 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:29 OzVelas wrote:
at least hvost having fun kappa
User was warned for this post What kind of warning did he receive?
Guessing something related to twitch chat memes.
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On October 10 2014 06:17 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:10 Racket wrote:On October 10 2014 05:29 OzVelas wrote:
at least hvost having fun kappa
User was warned for this post What kind of warning did he receive? Guessing something related to twitch chat memes.
ya, TL has a thing against twitch memes. You do it, you get warned most of the time.
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Not surprised that navi might be disbanding. It clearly isn't working. Their strategies are too predictable.
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On October 14 2014 02:52 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Not surprised that navi might be disbanding. It clearly isn't working. Their strategies are too predictable.
I doubt they will disband, they will just change FNG imo. He was supposed to be the captain/drafter, but they had to put dendi on the drafter role at ESL...
And they won't kick xboct, beucase he is xboct
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On October 14 2014 02:58 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 02:52 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Not surprised that navi might be disbanding. It clearly isn't working. Their strategies are too predictable. I doubt they will disband, they will just change FNG imo. He was supposed to be the captain/drafter, but they had to put dendi on the drafter role at ESL... And they won't kick xboct, beucase he is xboct
well everybody needs time, FNG needs time, it's not like you flip a switch and you adjust from PR to Na'Vi
I would give him at least till the second starladder, XI I guess that would be and if after that time it's still the same, whelp, shuffle again
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Russian Federation251 Posts
Well, you know, they have actually qualified for the current StarLadder LAN too.
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I meant XI more as a time stamp, should be around december or so, X will be a continuation on showing if they are making progress or stagnating
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On October 14 2014 02:58 caiovigg wrote:
I doubt they will disband, they will just change FNG imo. He was supposed to be the captain/drafter, but they had to put dendi on the drafter role at ESL...
Uh, Dendi only drafted for Game 1 (in which they got stomped). When FNG drafted Game 2, the draft suddenly made sense and they won.
Not defending FNG, here, since I'm not convinced but don't spread misinformation.
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I bet they dropped out of this tournament to practice.
FNG have mentioned in interview that along all the tournaments and traveling they don't have enough time to practice.
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