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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-01 22:48:34
January 01 2015 22:40 GMT
#321
This makes me pretty sad, but maybe the team will come out stronger. I just want Fear to finally get a TI and this lineup looked like a great shot.

Tbh zai was the one guy on EG I felt was interchangeable. Like, he's a great player but I've never felt like he brought anything really unique. Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.

Rtz on the other hand, gets so much attention it's hard to tell what his real contribution is. At the very least, his playstyle is so different that losing him might mean a complete remake of their gameplan.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11087 Posts
January 01 2015 23:00 GMT
#322
Are people underplaying the value of the Universe/Zai connection? There are support duos but it seemed like Universe and Zai were really in sync at times.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Sa6peto
Profile Joined December 2012
Bulgaria162 Posts
January 02 2015 02:25 GMT
#323
rtz chan is straming w/o any EG ads >.<
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
January 02 2015 03:31 GMT
#324
On January 02 2015 08:00 Sabu113 wrote:
Are people underplaying the value of the Universe/Zai connection? There are support duos but it seemed like Universe and Zai were really in sync at times.

Do you mean ppd and zai?
beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
January 02 2015 04:28 GMT
#325
grats sumail
aaaaa
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 02 2015 04:30 GMT
#326
[image loading]

From the DAC site.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 02 2015 04:30 GMT
#327
grats aui
posting on liquid sites in current year
Tricks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-02 05:02:44
January 02 2015 04:50 GMT
#328
Cant tell if this team got any better time will tell. Sumail is all hype at this point.
Favorite Players: Zai, Arteezy and LaNm
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-02 05:28:03
January 02 2015 05:07 GMT
#329
Sumail is unknown for competitive matches, but I am very happy that aui is playing for EG. Hell just get EE already and be the NA allstar team. (that's a joke, I don't think any team can handle both PPD and EE salty moments)
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
braincandy
Profile Joined February 2013
Philippines179 Posts
January 02 2015 05:28 GMT
#330
i think EG is still good. i believe that the major advantage of EG, TS and C9 over other western team is they have a really good leadership and veterans. that didnt change in this shuffle.

the problem im seeing with EG though is that Sumail is so young. im not sure if it's possible for him to dedicate the time to be in a pro team. Zai and RTZ was able to do it but of course they sacrificed some things, hopefully the can work it out with Sumail. im still sad that RTZ and Zai left though.

the problem with TS imo is the position especially the offlane and also RTZ being in the West. but probably position is not a problem too since theyre all good players. dota nowadays is not being dictated by position but by your role to the team.

i like these 2 teams but i will still cheer for EG more. ive been rooting for them since Maelk times. been through heartbreaks and glory. i must say im pretty excited with their new line up. wanna see what may become of Sumail. between the 2 i must say that TS is better only for the fact that Sumail is inexperienced.


come on old man Fear.
bumwithagun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
January 02 2015 06:41 GMT
#331
IMO EG loses in this unless Sumail turns out to be RTZ 2.0, secret wins (contingent on Zai being good on the offlane), and C9 is uncertain. It would not surprise me if the new west rank went TS, C9, EG.

sad times for eg

I wonder if RTZ sees himself on a euro team long term...or if this is just TI5 stuff.

finally, do we know who secret's sponsor is? i have a hard time imagining that secret could offer a better deal than EG...if not, RTZ really wanted out
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 02 2015 06:54 GMT
#332
I think people are being a little too doom and gloom about this.

Fear's going to be back on hard carry, Sumail is going to be the playmaking mid they couldn't get with RTZ (apparently he can actually play Ember, so that's a plus?).

If it goes like they want it to, it should be a good change-up.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-02 10:01:12
January 02 2015 07:21 GMT
#333
On January 02 2015 15:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I think people are being a little too doom and gloom about this.

Fear's going to be back on hard carry, Sumail is going to be the playmaking mid they couldn't get with RTZ (apparently he can actually play Ember, so that's a plus?).

If it goes like they want it to, it should be a good change-up.

Sumail's Ember is legit

Really can't wait to see this roster in action. Only 3 more days till DAC starts!!

edit: nvm EG has a direct invite, looks like they won't be playing till next month

double edit: BUT D2L IS COMING UP NVM
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 02 2015 09:09 GMT
#334
Really excited to see Sumail play competitive.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
January 02 2015 09:47 GMT
#335
I wonder why EG would let Artour leave when they make so much bank selling his t-shirts and his stream.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 02 2015 10:04 GMT
#336
On January 02 2015 18:47 lestye wrote:
I wonder why EG would let Artour leave when they make so much bank selling his t-shirts and his stream.

GGA contracts don't allow players to leave of their own accord, both him and Zai had to have been kicked.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Arkhe
Profile Joined November 2014
France116 Posts
January 02 2015 10:47 GMT
#337
On January 02 2015 18:09 Talin wrote:
Really excited to see Sumail play competitive.



Wasn't him playing for Roots or LVH i can't remind.

I see a lot of people don't understanding the hype around sumail but imo if a team like EG pick him up they have good reasons .
Omelette aux fromages ? i'm the grammar nazi worst nightmare
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
January 02 2015 10:50 GMT
#338
On January 02 2015 19:47 Arkhe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 18:09 Talin wrote:
Really excited to see Sumail play competitive.



Wasn't him playing for Roots or LVH i can't remind.

I see a lot of people don't understanding the hype around sumail but imo if a team like EG pick him up they have good reasons .

Sumail has played as a standin for Root
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Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
January 02 2015 21:16 GMT
#339
On January 02 2015 19:04 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 18:47 lestye wrote:
I wonder why EG would let Artour leave when they make so much bank selling his t-shirts and his stream.

GGA contracts don't allow players to leave of their own accord, both him and Zai had to have been kicked.



or the contract ran out
Push 2 Harder
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-02 21:44:52
January 02 2015 21:44 GMT
#340
or GGA isn't stupid and knows holding people in contacts just because they can is dumb if you want good relationships!

If a player doesn't want to be a part of a team in a game based on team cohesion, then there's very little reason to hold them.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
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