EPTEvil Geniuses Discussion - Page 15
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On December 15 2014 16:09 Kupon3ss wrote: EG as team of the year is objectively indefensible if you evaluate teams on a global level. If we look at just results, where they're eclipsed by VG overall, Newbee in terms of when it matters, and only roughly equal to DK in terms of overall performance in tournaments. On impact on the overall meta EG also loses out to each of the three Chinese teams, which can be clearly seen in the way their playstyle took a sharp turn after TI4 to very closely resemble that of VG/Newbee's TI4 strategies. Even in terms of Drama/Storyline/Personality EG falls short - The rise and fall of DK was probably the story that dominated the first half year, and the second by the current VG. EG is without a doubt the best team in the west of 2014, but to say that they're the team of the year in Dota overall is absolutely ridiculous in anything besides the affection of western fans. Since the JD awards are obviously framed that way, there's nothing wrong with their placement of EG. How are they eclipsed by VG overall? VG didn't win a single tournament in 2014 before changing their roster and throughout the first half of the year could only sometimes compete with iG/DK/Nb and never when it mattered while getting eliminated by Alliance, Fnatic (twice) and EG when they had to face western teams. As for the storyline I think America finally having a top tier team with relatively unknown/rising star player is pretty good, not as good as DK but definitely better than Nb and VG. I don't think EG particularly deserves "team of the year" but they should at least be in the discussion. On December 16 2014 00:08 TanGeng wrote: If you really watch both East and West, you'd have to favor the East this year. Of course,. The interesting year is probably going to be 2015, with the East losing an entire tier 1 team worth of players and 2 of the shuffled teams (LGD/iG) looking kinda hit or miss, maybe the West can squeeze a surprise. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 15 2014 23:24 Kupon3ss wrote: VG has been around as a world-class team since EMS in Poland 12 months ago and has never looked weaker than EG during any of the past 12 months apart from the month leading up to TI4 and the month after TI4 when it was rebanding "Since EMS" is a bit of a funny statement, considering they won that, and nothing else until i-league in September this year. TI4 was their first major Grand Final in the year as well. That said, I'm still saying that VG was the better team this year. Just don't overstate how well they did. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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reDicE
United States1020 Posts
On December 17 2014 10:06 Daralii wrote: A holiday message from Universe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1pxsOwUkCE Merry Fucking Xmas to you too, Saahil. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
EG won 2 big tournaments, one offline and one online. But the summit win was particularly impressive because the road was difficult. They even won team DK, arguably the strongest team in that season. They were the finalist in ESL Frankfurt which vici also competed but got eliminated in the first round. S I'd say eg was a better team overall in last season. Vici only stood out in ti4. As for east vs west, this season both sides are pretty meh. China has only Vici that is doing well. Newbee is hit or miss. As for west, only c9 secret and eg can be considered top teams. The rest of the teams are like 2 tiers below the top in terms of standards. Its like there's no tier 2 teams at all. There's no more fnatic or c9 2013/14 that can give top teams a hard time. [Edit] oh calendar year. How do you even compare new Vici + old Vici against eg. That's why the award is stupid. | ||
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bumwithagun
United States153 Posts
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GiveMeYourtTots
990 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 19 2014 08:27 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: EG is looking worse and worse, right before and during Ti4 they would never lose to a team like vp. Maybe their steam rolling is over, like all the other teams that were once almost unbeatable. Or maybe it's just that dota isn't very important to them right now, like arteezy said. New patch just came out yesterday, and they've always had problems in series that had server swapping. Not making excuses, but that was basically the ideal match to bet Rares on the underdog. | ||
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syw651
Australia349 Posts
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Beyonder01
Canada44 Posts
Edit: He now says he is technically still on EG but won't be playing with EG in China...  | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
EG.Fogged/EG.Sumail/EG.Aui? | ||
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Beirut
United States673 Posts
If the players split 2-3 ways I have no idea who I'm going to support, this roster was like my dream team. edit: literally the only thing I think would make the team better is EG.Aui_2000. It would make the team full NA, which means better practice times, and he has a similar style to Zai (while still being able to play the dirt cheap support position when the time comes). His hero pool is incredible, and he would bring some fresh ideas to the team. Losing Zai is huge, but I think it would be a net positive for the roster. Don't see Aui leaving EE though. | ||
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Beyonder01
Canada44 Posts
On December 31 2014 03:55 Beirut wrote: I guess we're all looking in from the outside, but I don't understand at all why this shuffle is happening to EG. Maybe it will make more sense once things are announced, but it just feels like they can't improve a single position on their team by swapping someone out. I feel like they got discouraged by their play at a time when no one was really giving 100%, and it ended up driving a wedge between them. If the players split 2-3 ways I have no idea who I'm going to support, this roster was like my dream team. edit: literally the only thing I think would make the team better is EG.Aui_2000. It would make the team full NA, which means better practice times, and he has a similar style to Zai (while still being able to play the dirt cheap support position when the time comes). His hero pool is incredible, and he would bring some fresh ideas to the team. Losing Zai is huge, but I think it would be a net positive for the roster. Don't see Aui leaving EE though. I think we have to assume that it is because of internal issues with the team. EE said in a recent interview that EG was a cancerous team and he was surprised they hadn't disbanded yet. | ||
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Procake
3803 Posts
On December 31 2014 04:24 Beyonder01 wrote: I think we have to assume that it is because of internal issues with the team. EE said in a recent interview that EG was a cancerous team and he was surprised they hadn't disbanded yet. When he said that it sounded like a joke though, EE always jokes about EG. | ||
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Pomza
45 Posts
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
On December 31 2014 04:58 Pomza wrote: I always thought Zai and PPD were more likely to be the package deal rather than Zai and Rtz. Feel bad for Universe and Fear. I feel for those two this team was their best chance of an International win. but it's not zai and rtz's best chance for an international win | ||
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utcraigo14
United States22 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
On December 31 2014 10:36 utcraigo14 wrote: I am pretty much dying to know what happens with EG's roster, as well as the rest of the shuffles. I never saw this team breaking up. After they placed 2nd at the International, they have been the strongest team out of the west, along with Secret. They placed third... But your point still stands, I never really even considered EG breaking up so far. After The Summit it felt a bit strange wwith all that talk of never scrimming and being tired from all the tournaments but not at all like breaking up. They still are easily a good contender to win any tournament they enter. | ||
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