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wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 15 2016 20:07 GMT
#2161
On June 16 2016 03:43 Gaial wrote:
Didn't a big name Chinese or European team have to go through the open? I think maybe VP?

I expect EG to go through the open, they need to get the message across, that their rules will be enforced.

Possibly they expand the open-to-regionals slots. I don't have a problem with Perky Pepperoni getting an invite, maybe international players will come to the US and make the scene better, like w33 and Misery.

It'll be interesting to see how Valve handles this.

Vici has to go through quals as they changed their line-up after the deadline
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
June 15 2016 20:14 GMT
#2162
If I were Valve, I would simply give them an invite to AM qualifiers. The open qualifiers are supposed to be for up-and-coming teams to participate in an event of this size, get experience, and throw their hat in the ring with the best of the best. I think it would suck if one of those spots went to EG, denying a smaller team that opportunity.

At the same time, everyone in competitive Dota wants to see EG play in (at least) the qualifiers for TI6 - these are 5 of the best players in the world. It's simply a lose-lose situation for the community if EG are eliminited in a Bo1 in the open qualifiers.

I get that rules should be followed, but this is a case where I think Valve should make an exception, it seems to be in everyone's best interests at this point. The only downside is setting a dangerous precedent for late roster shuffles in the future; if they already have plans to change that policy though, this would be a great solution.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 15 2016 21:09 GMT
#2163
On June 16 2016 05:07 wims80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2016 03:43 Gaial wrote:
Didn't a big name Chinese or European team have to go through the open? I think maybe VP?

I expect EG to go through the open, they need to get the message across, that their rules will be enforced.

Possibly they expand the open-to-regionals slots. I don't have a problem with Perky Pepperoni getting an invite, maybe international players will come to the US and make the scene better, like w33 and Misery.

It'll be interesting to see how Valve handles this.

Vici has to go through quals as they changed their line-up after the deadline


VG had to go through the Manila Major qualifiers. We honestly don't know about TI Qualifiers.

Ehome is the one that just changed their roster and so has to go through the Chinese Open Qualifiers.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 15 2016 21:19 GMT
#2164
On June 16 2016 05:14 Beirut wrote:
If I were Valve, I would simply give them an invite to AM qualifiers. The open qualifiers are supposed to be for up-and-coming teams to participate in an event of this size, get experience, and throw their hat in the ring with the best of the best. I think it would suck if one of those spots went to EG, denying a smaller team that opportunity.

At the same time, everyone in competitive Dota wants to see EG play in (at least) the qualifiers for TI6 - these are 5 of the best players in the world. It's simply a lose-lose situation for the community if EG are eliminited in a Bo1 in the open qualifiers.

I get that rules should be followed, but this is a case where I think Valve should make an exception, it seems to be in everyone's best interests at this point. The only downside is setting a dangerous precedent for late roster shuffles in the future; if they already have plans to change that policy though, this would be a great solution.


I don't think the precedent would be an issue. Unless Valve gave EG & Secret for full TI invites. Valve just has to admit the current Roster Lock system really didn't work as they had intended.

Though there's a wrinkle with Secret getting an invite to TI6 that just came to me. That could be interesting. I wonder if the Team Secret staff is furiously negotiating with Valve about that.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 15 2016 21:52 GMT
#2165
EG would be the last team I'd give an exception for ... well, after Secret. The team hired Aui in times of need, then kicked him immediately after he won TI5 for them. Then they hired him in times of need again, only to kick him again at the very next crossroad, leaving him without any chance of playing TI6. Talk about a total scumbag move, I hope EG gets forced to play open qualifiers. I hope they get dazzle-huskared
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 15 2016 23:05 GMT
#2166
Yeah, I'm beginning to dislike EG a lot for kicking Aui twice and for constantly re-inviting the same players back. Such unnecessary drama.
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 15 2016 23:10 GMT
#2167
Okay
I'm gonna say it here
I want EG+Secret in the main qualifier and Valve to break their own rules.
It just ain't fair for other teams to face them, besides the obvious risk of not seeing these popular people compete
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10809 Posts
June 16 2016 09:18 GMT
#2168
If they don't improve drastically, there is a good Chance they won't even make the open, let alone the main qualifier.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
June 16 2016 09:53 GMT
#2169
On June 16 2016 06:52 wims80 wrote:
EG would be the last team I'd give an exception for ... well, after Secret. The team hired Aui in times of need, then kicked him immediately after he won TI5 for them. Then they hired him in times of need again, only to kick him again at the very next crossroad, leaving him without any chance of playing TI6. Talk about a total scumbag move, I hope EG gets forced to play open qualifiers. I hope they get dazzle-huskared


Aui got my back when he first got kicked , second time is on him , he knew who EG are and he also backstabbed his own teammates at DC which is at itself unforgivable after what he went through. he is where he is because of his own choices.

wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 16 2016 12:49 GMT
#2170
On June 16 2016 18:53 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2016 06:52 wims80 wrote:
EG would be the last team I'd give an exception for ... well, after Secret. The team hired Aui in times of need, then kicked him immediately after he won TI5 for them. Then they hired him in times of need again, only to kick him again at the very next crossroad, leaving him without any chance of playing TI6. Talk about a total scumbag move, I hope EG gets forced to play open qualifiers. I hope they get dazzle-huskared


Aui got my back when he first got kicked , second time is on him , he knew who EG are and he also backstabbed his own teammates at DC which is at itself unforgivable after what he went through. he is where he is because of his own choices.


Thats a good point, I hadn't considered that angle. It doesn't make what EG did any better tho, but you're right, this time it's on Aui
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
June 16 2016 13:53 GMT
#2171
So, some news for today. PPD posted a short Q&A on Twitch. Didn't reveal that much, but it was a nice watch.

Also, LD confirmed that EG has declined a direct invite to the Summit 5
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4oadvj/the_summit_5_invites_and_redemption_vote/d4ayjci
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 16 2016 16:58 GMT
#2172
Yeah i thought they had declined that as they are defending champions doesn't make sense not to have them there. I guess they are only gonna participate in NanYang which seems silly as it so far away.
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
June 16 2016 17:09 GMT
#2173
On June 16 2016 21:49 wims80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2016 18:53 bluzi wrote:
On June 16 2016 06:52 wims80 wrote:
EG would be the last team I'd give an exception for ... well, after Secret. The team hired Aui in times of need, then kicked him immediately after he won TI5 for them. Then they hired him in times of need again, only to kick him again at the very next crossroad, leaving him without any chance of playing TI6. Talk about a total scumbag move, I hope EG gets forced to play open qualifiers. I hope they get dazzle-huskared


Aui got my back when he first got kicked , second time is on him , he knew who EG are and he also backstabbed his own teammates at DC which is at itself unforgivable after what he went through. he is where he is because of his own choices.


Thats a good point, I hadn't considered that angle. It doesn't make what EG did any better tho, but you're right, this time it's on Aui

I dont get all the hate on EG about this, when they parted ways/kicked Aui after TI5 it was for good reasons, and to be fair, they had just won the biggest tournament and most money ever.
Before the last roster lock they were caught off-guard by Rtz and Uni leaving for TS, they had to make a rush desition, gace offers to Bulba and Aui wich they obv accepted, things did not work our well, and the team needed a change, both community and the EG players felt Aui as the weakest link. when ur going to fight for 10-20 mill dollars, u want to have the best shoot at winning everything.
Aui being kicked this time was obv because his performance was lackluster. And in any proffessional team you have to deliver when it matters. Yeah, its sad for Aui, but who can realy hate on EG for this... They even gave up theier direct invite just to make theier chances of winning better.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
June 16 2016 17:27 GMT
#2174
I think it's convenient for people to think EG is the bad guy for taking Aui/Bulba then kicking them when Aui/Bulba were really, really fucking their own team over by even taking that offer. They were effectively ruining 3 player's hopes for anything that year and they knew it. They even promised resolution a period of time before screwing him over just months in.

Anyone that thinks there's an innocent party in Dota2 pro scene that wouldn't kick anyone they needed to in order to win millions needs a reality check. This game and other "esports" are becoming more like real sports, which means emotionless firing/hiring in the name of winning.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-16 18:04:27
June 16 2016 17:59 GMT
#2175
so ur saying basically if you know you're bad you should just know to fuck off instead of making an effort to improve? or am i missing something that youre saying here?

cuz if you are thats one hell of a pessimistic point of view right there.

eg wanted them on the team, even if they were acting like standins. so you're saying that they should not even try to prove themselves again and just refuse the offer? i think that by declining the offer they would fuck up eg more by forcing them to play with other people they dont have much experience with.
Keep moving forward
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 16 2016 18:14 GMT
#2176
No he's not really making any point about skill he's talking about "evil vs good" rather than "skilled vs unskilled"
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 19 2016 21:05 GMT
#2177
here we go
Valve pulled the trigger, Open qualifier time.
Upside is that if they don't get cheesed they have a cushy TI spot waiting for them. 2+wildcard with the shortened amount of teams is EZPZ
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
June 20 2016 07:44 GMT
#2178
Yeah, if EG is going to have any chance of doing it good at TI, the open quals and AM quals should be ezpz.
EG, Col and DCshould be the strongest teams and all be at TI rly.

For those hungry for news/stuff from EG, you should check out ppd's YouTube channel, he is posting vids regularly again, and gives some info about zai, uni, bootcamp etc. in the last vids.
nothing big, but yeah

Bleed Blue!
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
June 20 2016 08:29 GMT
#2179
Good luck , its not a TI without the old man!!! excited to see him player #1 again
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 20 2016 08:44 GMT
#2180
On June 20 2016 16:44 Atoissen wrote:
Yeah, if EG is going to have any chance of doing it good at TI, the open quals and AM quals should be ezpz.
EG, Col and DCshould be the strongest teams and all be at TI rly.

For those hungry for news/stuff from EG, you should check out ppd's YouTube channel, he is posting vids regularly again, and gives some info about zai, uni, bootcamp etc. in the last vids.
nothing big, but yeah

Bleed Blue!

Zai interview was hilarious, "lots of people are asking about the man bum" zai "what do you mean?" "well they type man bum, grill, in the comments" haha xd
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