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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
March 24 2015 02:08 GMT
#141
so im curious, why doesnt dota have a system where players check off what they'd like to play? like im watching streams and every so often you get people fighting over who's playing mid or whatever.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
March 24 2015 02:24 GMT
#142
On March 24 2015 11:08 zev318 wrote:
so im curious, why doesnt dota have a system where players check off what they'd like to play? like im watching streams and every so often you get people fighting over who's playing mid or whatever.

Just like matchmaking at very high MMR, and language preferences, such things are inhibited by the size of the player base. There are other considerations but doing this would make matchmaking more difficult. Plus then the game would have to assign roles it has no way to enforce.

On top of this, I think it's a very bad idea to reinforce inflexibility in the player base. I have the greatest contempt for people in my MMR who are unwilling to support. I'll play any damn position; I only get contentious about it when someone tries to invalidate my pick with theirs, wheb communicated my intent and they did not.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12816 Posts
March 24 2015 02:40 GMT
#143
On March 24 2015 01:16 TheYango wrote:
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On March 23 2015 07:53 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Exactly, I mean that's what the definition of a rating is. The gap between two values translates into a static expected win percentage regardless of where on the spectrum that gap is. We can argue until we're blue in the face what that means across 2k, 3k, 5k, 7k because yes, the burden of knowledge, reactions, execution, decision making, and multitasking all rank differently in importance and degree of demand depending on where you're looking. Again, we're not talking about the minutiae, we're talking about what a rating difference means, and that's what it means.

While this is true, this represents a static expectation chance to win the *game*. That encompasses all factors over the course of the game, not just laning.

At low MMRs, the general lack of skill across the board means there's much higher variance in terms of the actual ability at any one aspect of the game. When we're talking 1500 vs 2000 MMR, the 2000 MMR player is a significantly better player, but because both players are so lacking on the whole, it is not a given that the 2000 MMR player is a better laner.

At higher levels, there's some general convergence in player ability in most aspects of the game. A player that gets to 4500/5000 MMR is much less likely to be so lopsidedly excellent at one aspect of the game and lopsidedly deficient at everything else that he lanes as well as a player 500 MMR better than him but is poor enough at everything else to compensate (or vice versa). As such, even though having a 2000 vs 1500 MMR player *on your team* represents the same chance to win the game as a 5000 vs 4500 MMR player *on your team*, it does not mean that it represents the same probable outcomes when the two players go against each other mid lane.


this can't be true at all. if as skill (mmr) goes up the variances decreases and converges, all pro teams wouldn't have a distinction of different positions 1 - 5., and everyone could play any position. Switches of positions are not uncommon in pro teams but it often takes a while for the player to adjust to his new role.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
March 24 2015 02:46 GMT
#144
Don't get confused about the dynamics of a position in a pub compared to pro games. It's wildly different.
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