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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 16 2018 14:32 GMT
#191041
On May 16 2018 20:00 PoulsenB wrote:
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On May 16 2018 17:03 ahswtini wrote:
artour's still with EG, right?

Why wouldn't he be? Is there some drama I don't know about?

i havent played dota/followed the pro scene for 3 months, and last i knew EG werent doing so good, plus everyone knows the cycle of artour meme.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
May 16 2018 14:44 GMT
#191042
VGJ.Storm for TI8 champs.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7756 Posts
May 16 2018 14:48 GMT
#191043
At this point I expect EG to either show up at TI with beastly form and smash through the event, or fail to qualify at all.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 16 2018 15:43 GMT
#191044
On May 16 2018 23:48 PoulsenB wrote:
At this point I expect EG to either show up at TI with beastly form and smash through the event, or fail to qualify at all.

At this point you'd have to feel that VG.J.Storm would beat EG in a BO5.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
May 16 2018 15:49 GMT
#191045
EG without ppd doesn't work
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 16 2018 16:28 GMT
#191046
On May 17 2018 00:49 Spicy_Curry wrote:
EG without ppd doesn't work

Weird how that ended up. The captain and shot caller for the team provided the foundation for talented players to do well.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
May 16 2018 17:11 GMT
#191047
I'm seeing articles from The Atlantic, The New Yorker, and Wired on Fortnite and they range from the writer's elucidations on the dark forest theory and how relationships are built or betrayed in the game, or another "These darn kids with their video games why are they into this?". Don't know why they all feel the need to write about it, but I guess they have to keep up with what their kids or grandkids are all obsessed with.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 16 2018 17:25 GMT
#191048
Someone needs to explain video games to adults. And Fortnite is huge, mostly because it is free and doesn't try to take itself seriously.
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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
May 16 2018 18:13 GMT
#191049
On May 17 2018 02:25 Plansix wrote:
Someone needs to explain video games to adults. And Fortnite is huge, mostly because it is free and doesn't try to take itself seriously.


Its a pretty hard ask tbh. In the last month I've managed to play maybe 5 hrs of botw while fishing. I mention this to my dad: "Is that the kind of game that makes kids go shoot up schools?". me: "naw its more of a puzzle/exploration game really". Then trying to explain why that was actually fun to play. He tries to understand since both my brother and I have been playing games for 20 years, but he doesn't really.

P.S. Its a great game though, I've played no zelda before ever (switch is my first nintendo actually), and have avoided any online resources/playthroughs/etc so am playing it completely blind and am having to figure out tons of shit but its quite cool.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
May 16 2018 18:41 GMT
#191050
I just wish weapons werent consumables.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
May 16 2018 18:43 GMT
#191051
I feel like most people's problem with weapon degradation is that they wish to just keep using the same weapon, the second you don't try to hoard weapons and just use them as you go along you realize that you never run out

I ended up liking that i had to make use of what i had instead of just finding one weapon i liked and sticking with it for the rest of the game
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 16 2018 18:44 GMT
#191052
Do you have the problem of finding one thing you like and sticking to it for an entire game with other sandboxes? I've never really played any open-world games extensively, but in my GTA stints I found I only liked one gun for pretty much everything.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 19:08:06
May 16 2018 19:03 GMT
#191053
On May 17 2018 03:43 Unleashing wrote:
I feel like most people's problem with weapon degradation is that they wish to just keep using the same weapon, the second you don't try to hoard weapons and just use them as you go along you realize that you never run out

I ended up liking that i had to make use of what i had instead of just finding one weapon i liked and sticking with it for the rest of the game


It's almost the opposite problem later on where the weapons have so much durability you get way more weapon drops than you can use and you're either just ignoring them or juggling your inventory a lot.

I feel like the big miss with weapon degradation is just that the different weapons aren't meaningfully different enough, and fluidly switching between weapons isn't enough of a system to make it interesting for people. There's some dynamic spear vs a sword vs a 2 handed sword/hammer, but for most fights any of the three are good enough and within those types the weapons are largely interchangeable. For most of the game there's also not really that much tension in terms of saving quality weapons as you'll generally have a pretty good baseline quality of weapons that you're constantly getting once you start encountering stronger enemies.

So it feels more like 1/2 of a good system than a great one. They had the right general idea with throwing nearly broken weapons, but I feel like they should have leaned into it more to create a more dynamic system. The game is begging to have combat where you're constantly grabbing and discarding/breaking weapons across a fight in some dramatic fashion.

Like special attacks should be more interesting (or at least more varied across weapons) and quicker to come out with a trade-off of consuming a lot of weapon durability. I'd love it if you could special with a spear for most of it's durability to pole-vault and launch yourself in the air or slam a hammer down to knock-back surrounding enemies and temporarily slow time. But none of that is there.

If they could have made it interesting to switch weapons all the time, people wouldn't care that weapons break in a few hits and it'd be seen as a strength of the game by enabling an interesting gameplay. Hotline Miami is actually a great example of how fun it can be to constantly pick up and discard weapons (hit guy with bat, throw bat at other guy, pick up pistol, unload at guards, throw pistol, pick up shotgun, shoot shotgun then throw shotgun at last guard all as one fluid motion), but BotW doesn't really hit that same mark.

Basically all weapon degradation does in BotW generally mean is that every so often you open up your weapon menu and grab a new weapon from your stash, and pick up enemy weapons to stay stocked up. So it's kind of a missed mechanic for most of the game and while it's necessary still to keep you from scaling out of picking up any weapon ever, it doesn't really result in that deep of a system.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 19:14:06
May 16 2018 19:13 GMT
#191054
I'm sure weapon degradation being removed from the game wouldn't change the core gameplay mechanics and the fun derived from them since there is always enough. Makes it lackluster in my eyes.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 16 2018 19:18 GMT
#191055
I found it to be freeing. Once I realized that I could always find a reasonable weapon to fight with, throwing a good thunder sword at an enemy seemed like a great plan
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
May 16 2018 19:46 GMT
#191056
On May 17 2018 04:18 Plansix wrote:
I found it to be freeing. Once I realized that I could always find a reasonable weapon to fight with, throwing a good thunder sword at an enemy seemed like a great plan


Yeah, I agree that it's freeing to not be attached to your weapons and to not constantly be comparing stats to determine if you want to pick up a weapon or not, but that benefited the game's exploration and looting mechanics more so than the game's combat mechanics.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 16 2018 20:47 GMT
#191057
It's also a means of not rushing through the game because unless you're rather good at it, it's gonna be rather challenging fighting a higher level enemy with few and rather crappy weapons.
You'll end up throwing bombs when your weapons are depleted
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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
May 16 2018 20:56 GMT
#191058
I don’t mind the weapon degradation at all so far although it feels a little weird that bows degrade also to me. But I’m literally barely past starting zone
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
May 16 2018 21:08 GMT
#191059
On May 17 2018 05:56 Atreides wrote:
I don’t mind the weapon degradation at all so far although it feels a little weird that bows degrade also to me. But I’m literally barely past starting zone


The bows differentiate themselves more the further you get in the game so it makes a bit more sense then, but still is sort of silly since arrows are already limited.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 16 2018 21:22 GMT
#191060
arrows are a pain at first. I heavily underused the bow due to almost running out of bows, not arrows mind you, during the water based divine beast fight. In my like fifth attempt the last arrow breaking the bow got me the kill.
boy did I almost throw the switch across the room during the fight... Handheld gyro aiming was too much for me lmao
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