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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
April 19 2018 22:07 GMT
#189861
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 19 2018 22:08 GMT
#189862
Isn't it reasonable to detain them for trespassing if the store asks them to leave? idk wat laws are like in philly
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2834 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-19 22:17:37
April 19 2018 22:15 GMT
#189863
From what I understand the store in question had a policy about loitering and was attempting to enforce that policy. The reason we hear about it was because it was black dudes and it's worth questioning whether or not there was any justice in trying to enforce the policy. Because the whole situation happened in the first place and six fucking officers showed up in response I suspect there's some racial tension in that area as-is, so shoutouts to the black dudes for standing up for themselves and not putting up with bullshit.

Unless they were asked to leave for loitering just as anyone else would be, then asked to go to the washroom because fuck these racists, and just stood their ground from there.

Its basically impossible to actually get a read on what the fuck happened w/o being there. Obviously starbucks is gonna be like "Yeah no thats not okay" because it's been brought to the media as a racial issue and its much safer for starbucks to condemn racism than condone a policy on loitering.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-19 22:23:06
April 19 2018 22:19 GMT
#189864
On April 20 2018 07:08 Sn0_Man wrote:
Isn't it reasonable to detain them for trespassing if the store asks them to leave? idk wat laws are like in philly

They asset they were never asked to leave. And I am sure they told the police that as well.

Considering you can't be guilty of trespassing until you know you are not welcome on the property, it seems like an oversight by the officers to not make sure the two men were told they had to leave.

On April 20 2018 07:15 Fleetfeet wrote:
From what I understand the store in question had a policy about loitering and was attempting to enforce that policy. The reason we hear about it was because it was black dudes and it's worth questioning whether or not there was any justice in trying to enforce the policy. Because the whole situation happened in the first place and six fucking officers showed up in response I suspect there's some racial tension in that area as-is, so shoutouts to the black dudes for standing up for themselves and not putting up with bullshit.

Unless they were asked to leave for loitering just as anyone else would be, then asked to go to the washroom because fuck these racists, and just stood their ground from there.

Its basically impossible to actually get a read on what the fuck happened w/o being there. Obviously starbucks is gonna be like "Yeah no thats not okay" because it's been brought to the media as a racial issue and its much safer for starbucks to condemn racism than condone a policy on loitering.


Coming from a racist rural town who's citizens that has called the cops on black people for no real reason, it way more than you think common. People are dumb asses.
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 19 2018 22:32 GMT
#189865
On April 20 2018 07:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:01 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
The article said the police at least asked them three times.
So that's where you don't get arrested unless you are looking to get arrested.

The police have to have good cause to order you around, and their scope is not unlimited. An office can ask you to stop and ask some questions. But you can respond "Am I being detained?" And then they get to make the call if they have good cause.

The officer asked them to leave three times. The dudes knew they did nothing wrong, so they refused. They got arrested and now the officers have to justify why they arrested the two men. And it turns out that the justification is lacking.

This is how it is supposed to work. We empower police to arrest people. That doesn't automatically make them justified when they do it.


It was implied the men knew they were trespassing on private property and they also knew the company policy.
people loitering was an ongoing problem

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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2834 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-19 22:40:22
April 19 2018 22:37 GMT
#189866
On April 20 2018 07:19 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:08 Sn0_Man wrote:
Isn't it reasonable to detain them for trespassing if the store asks them to leave? idk wat laws are like in philly

They asset they were never asked to leave. And I am sure they told the police that as well.

Considering you can't be guilty of trespassing until you know you are not welcome on the property, it seems like an oversight by the officers to not make sure the two men were told they had to leave.

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:15 Fleetfeet wrote:
From what I understand the store in question had a policy about loitering and was attempting to enforce that policy. The reason we hear about it was because it was black dudes and it's worth questioning whether or not there was any justice in trying to enforce the policy. Because the whole situation happened in the first place and six fucking officers showed up in response I suspect there's some racial tension in that area as-is, so shoutouts to the black dudes for standing up for themselves and not putting up with bullshit.

Unless they were asked to leave for loitering just as anyone else would be, then asked to go to the washroom because fuck these racists, and just stood their ground from there.

Its basically impossible to actually get a read on what the fuck happened w/o being there. Obviously starbucks is gonna be like "Yeah no thats not okay" because it's been brought to the media as a racial issue and its much safer for starbucks to condemn racism than condone a policy on loitering.


Coming from a racist rural town who's citizens that has called the cops on black people for no real reason, it way more than you think common. People are dumb asses.


We've had this dialogue before, you're still preaching to the choir. It's called xenoPHOBIA for a reason.

More importantly @oeoeieie yes 100%
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-19 22:43:41
April 19 2018 22:41 GMT
#189867
On April 20 2018 07:32 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:01 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
The article said the police at least asked them three times.
So that's where you don't get arrested unless you are looking to get arrested.

The police have to have good cause to order you around, and their scope is not unlimited. An office can ask you to stop and ask some questions. But you can respond "Am I being detained?" And then they get to make the call if they have good cause.

The officer asked them to leave three times. The dudes knew they did nothing wrong, so they refused. They got arrested and now the officers have to justify why they arrested the two men. And it turns out that the justification is lacking.

This is how it is supposed to work. We empower police to arrest people. That doesn't automatically make them justified when they do it.


It was implied the men knew they were trespassing on private property and they also knew the company policy.
people loitering was an ongoing problem


Her story conflicts with the two men's story a bit. And I am not sure I trust the Daily Mail's due diligence, considering they are Boston Herald level rag. And even if loitering was a problem in the mall, why did she choose this time to call the cops? Did she do it a lot?

@fleetfeet - Yeah I know. But some folks are like "Why didn't the two black men just genuflect to the officers and leave the establishment like good citizens. I would do it in the unlikely scenario that someone randomly called the cops on me without cause."
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 19 2018 22:44 GMT
#189868
I never get to use a bathroom without buying something first...

FUCK SWEDEN
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 19 2018 22:45 GMT
#189869
On April 20 2018 07:07 eieio wrote:
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today

Obviously. Dude just spill it next time. The suspense is killing me.
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harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-19 22:59:04
April 19 2018 22:55 GMT
#189870
On April 20 2018 06:41 andyrau wrote:
I still don't get that story

they've removed homeless people from various premises for not being customers before
the only difference here is that the people removed were black and now it's a big deal?
am I missing something


homeless people aren't people, and now people with skin colors darker than #MQ2-47 Midtown Interior/Exterior Paint Sample are Super citizens

edit: it's mega bizarre that they were actually put in handcuffs and stuff lmao, why not just have the police make them leave instead of actually arresting them teh fuck?
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Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
April 19 2018 22:59 GMT
#189871
On April 20 2018 07:07 eieio wrote:
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today

sure, why not?
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
April 19 2018 23:11 GMT
#189872
On April 20 2018 07:44 Gosi wrote:
I never get to use a bathroom without buying something first...

FUCK SWEDEN

that isnt a problem at the ikea i go to
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-19 23:21:52
April 19 2018 23:19 GMT
#189873
On April 20 2018 07:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:32 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:01 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
The article said the police at least asked them three times.
So that's where you don't get arrested unless you are looking to get arrested.

The police have to have good cause to order you around, and their scope is not unlimited. An office can ask you to stop and ask some questions. But you can respond "Am I being detained?" And then they get to make the call if they have good cause.

The officer asked them to leave three times. The dudes knew they did nothing wrong, so they refused. They got arrested and now the officers have to justify why they arrested the two men. And it turns out that the justification is lacking.

This is how it is supposed to work. We empower police to arrest people. That doesn't automatically make them justified when they do it.


It was implied the men knew they were trespassing on private property and they also knew the company policy.
people loitering was an ongoing problem


Her story conflicts with the two men's story a bit. And I am not sure I trust the Daily Mail's due diligence, considering they are Boston Herald level rag. And even if loitering was a problem in the mall, why did she choose this time to call the cops? Did she do it a lot?

@fleetfeet - Yeah I know. But some folks are like "Why didn't the two black men just genuflect to the officers and leave the establishment like good citizens. I would do it in the unlikely scenario that someone randomly called the cops on me without cause."



That's a good idea, let's have store managers keep a statistic on people's races. Then we can compare that with other statistics: what is the racial makeup of the local population, what are their consumer habits, what do other stores statistics look like, how does the manager's statistics differ from the average starbucks manager. Then at the end of the month you'd have a bunch of [x] race people trespassing at the store and the manager is sweating because the numbers don't look right.
Then ze'd hire a bunch of [x] age kids of race [y] to come wreak havoc so they can call the cops on everyone. Then the regional management sees the number of incident skyrocket and threaten to close the whole store. So then the store manager realizes all ze has to do is change the racial makeup of the area. What follows is a series of humorous attempts at driving away race [y] from premises. In the end they succeed, there's just one problem though: the manager is of race [y]. At the end of the month the manager smears zirs own poop on the store walls and calls cops on zirselves.

Best comedy 2025 feel free to steal.

e. Sequel is when the store manager misgenders a person.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
April 19 2018 23:54 GMT
#189874
On April 20 2018 07:07 eieio wrote:
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today

Girl, are you the ACA? Cause I want you to give this individual man date(s)

An even better one is below, but I don't think it'd get a response. It is also EXTREMELY niche lol:
+ Show Spoiler +
Girl, are you the public option? Cause it looks like you got fucked by Joe Lieberman
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 00:16 GMT
#189875
On April 20 2018 08:54 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:07 eieio wrote:
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today

Girl, are you the ACA? Cause I want you to give this individual man date(s)

An even better one is below, but I don't think it'd get a response. It is also EXTREMELY niche lol:
+ Show Spoiler +
Girl, are you the public option? Cause it looks like you got fucked by Joe Lieberman

Wow, just wow. I am shook.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
April 20 2018 00:17 GMT
#189876
On April 20 2018 09:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 08:54 eieio wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:07 eieio wrote:
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today

Girl, are you the ACA? Cause I want you to give this individual man date(s)

An even better one is below, but I don't think it'd get a response. It is also EXTREMELY niche lol:
+ Show Spoiler +
Girl, are you the public option? Cause it looks like you got fucked by Joe Lieberman

Wow, just wow. I am shook.

this is all i do right now
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 20 2018 00:24 GMT
#189877
i suppose pity sex is still sex
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 00:48:57
April 20 2018 00:48 GMT
#189878
well if they were asked to leave and then some cops came and asked them to leave a couple times and they didn't, that's failure to obey police orders then idk why people are up in arms about this shit

if it's like oh two black dudes want to use my restroom and didn't buy anything let's call the cops on em then that starbucks manager is in the wrong


on another note I'm also very against CEOs throwing their own people under the bus so quickly unless the manager was actually proven to be in the wrong, but it seems like everything's just hearsay atm
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2834 Posts
April 20 2018 02:06 GMT
#189879
On April 20 2018 08:54 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:07 eieio wrote:
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today

Girl, are you the ACA? Cause I want you to give this individual man date(s)

An even better one is below, but I don't think it'd get a response. It is also EXTREMELY niche lol:
+ Show Spoiler +
Girl, are you the public option? Cause it looks like you got fucked by Joe Lieberman


I feel like your stats with politically driven pickups has gotta be lower than avg unless you're shooting for a particular audience
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
April 20 2018 02:15 GMT
#189880
On April 20 2018 11:06 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 08:54 eieio wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:07 eieio wrote:
Would anybody like to hear the obamacare related puckup line I wrote today

Girl, are you the ACA? Cause I want you to give this individual man date(s)

An even better one is below, but I don't think it'd get a response. It is also EXTREMELY niche lol:
+ Show Spoiler +
Girl, are you the public option? Cause it looks like you got fucked by Joe Lieberman


I feel like your stats with politically driven pickups has gotta be lower than avg unless you're shooting for a particular audience

I sent it to someone who worked in healthcare!
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