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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7758 Posts
April 12 2018 14:33 GMT
#189341
I mean my friend told me stories about how he and his team made extensive Nazi-related jokes at work including even some props and stuff (my friend has a very non-politically correct sense of humour) and they never had any problems from the management etc.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2018 14:35 GMT
#189342
man u'd think poland would be a bad place for that tbh
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 14:43:03
April 12 2018 14:41 GMT
#189343
On April 12 2018 23:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On April 12 2018 23:23 Plansix wrote:
People rushing to defendant the use of words that would get you fired most jobs.

probably get u fired from literally 0 jobs in the country he lives but w/e

I do appreciate how americans love to assert that their worldview is the only one

I mean, you are speaking an english language, and the n word carries a certain connotation that is heavily racist and negative and generally shunned from dominantly english speaking cultures, and you are streaming on a global platform infront of an international audience, and you use the n word. Thats not acceptable, no matter what culture you come from. there is no situation where using the n word, other than african american culture for very SPECIFIC reasons is that word usage "okay".

yeah the asian thing going on is probably not okay either, but that is straight whataboutism and doesn't excuse iceiceice in the slightest.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2018 14:45 GMT
#189344
On April 12 2018 23:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On April 12 2018 23:23 Plansix wrote:
People rushing to defendant the use of words that would get you fired most jobs.

probably get u fired from literally 0 jobs in the country he lives but w/e

I do appreciate how americans love to assert that their worldview is the only one

His shit is being broadcast in the US and Valve is a US company. The TI was run in the US up until this year. I do love that some folks act like the US is imposing this on players, but foreign players are all like “Give me those Freedom Dollars!”

And seriously do they not tell you all that the N-word is a word that will get your ass beat if you use it in the wrong part of the US? When in Rome, don’t say words that will get your ass beat by Romans.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 14:59:02
April 12 2018 14:55 GMT
#189345
I think everybody realizes that it was not an entirely appropriate situation for ice to use that term, including himself if you watch the clip he kinda backpedals immediately without acknowledging that he's made a slip.

I don't agree with people's cultural projections that the internet is somehow an american space.

And more to the point I think that making judgements about a cultural term and it's use by people from significantly different cultures is ridiculous and offensive.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2018 15:07 GMT
#189346
It isn’t an American space. China has its own aspects of the internet. I can’t even read stuff on those parts and many others. But Twitch is a US company, developed for primary market in the US. He came to the America part of the internet and video game streaming. Valve is a US company. All the shit that revolves around TI centers around the US and North America. So there is no defense to dropping the N-bomb, which he is aware of from what you say. So I don’t show America is exporting its culture onto IceIceIce when he is partaking in the part of the internet made by Americans.
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Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 15:34:30
April 12 2018 15:26 GMT
#189347
Not exactly surprised there are defendants that don't deem it unacceptable. This is because of the general racist and/or xenophobic behaviour, be it casual or not, that's quite apparent. For example what Gosi noted.

Yet of course some might just be trying to reason that it's a little bit more understandable (understanding =/= acceptance) but I suppose that's not really relevant. Also I'm unsure how actually widespread it is, as it's hard to tell. Reddit being reddit.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 15:38:13
April 12 2018 15:36 GMT
#189348
Yes, he shouldn't be using the word but I can see how he could get confused since the word is used all the time in American culture. Rap is very popular in Southeast Asia. I can empathize with someone outside of the US for not being able to recognize the minute details and gravity of the word since I see that with my parents all the time. When you tell them it's wrong they understand and try to be conscious of it.

Also, how has bulldog not been banned for this and why is the n-word emote still on twitch?
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 15:42:41
April 12 2018 15:41 GMT
#189349
On April 12 2018 23:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think everybody realizes that it was not an entirely appropriate situation for ice to use that term, including himself if you watch the clip he kinda backpedals immediately without acknowledging that he's made a slip.

I don't agree with people's cultural projections that the internet is somehow an american space.

And more to the point I think that making judgements about a cultural term and it's use by people from significantly different cultures is ridiculous and offensive.

Its not an american space, but it is an international/multinational space. and its not acceptable in that situation.
On April 13 2018 00:36 Spicy_Curry wrote:
When you tell them it's wrong they understand and try to be conscious of it.


well, apparently reddit feels otherwise. but lots of people that play dota2 probably fall under the vulnerable to altright tactics (i mean, they argue like it) so, doesn't surprise me.
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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
April 12 2018 15:43 GMT
#189350
Speaking of unacceptable N-words I didn’t realize exactly how much I took for granted DAC not having Nahaz. Literally makes panels unwatchable.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2018 15:45 GMT
#189351
There is also number of people on reddit who rush from sub to sub to defend racism and shitpost about it. But the fact that r/Dota doesn’t do that much to shut them down is, in itself, a problem. Because a community that give the outward impression of defending racism attracts racists who believe they will be welcome in that community. And they likely will be.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
April 12 2018 15:46 GMT
#189352
Not really sure why you are reading reddit. Nobody in the history of the world has said "Thank god I read reddit." Do something productive with your time. Not to be insensitive but it probably is a major cause of your depression since it is nothing more than a feedback loop.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12169 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 15:56:07
April 12 2018 15:49 GMT
#189353
On April 13 2018 00:46 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Not really sure why you are reading reddit. Nobody in the history of the world has said "Thank god I read reddit." Do something productive with your time. Not to be insensitive but it probably is a major cause of your depression since it is nothing more than a feedback loop.


I find actually watching / reading news to be one of the most depression inducing things you can do. The constant focus on negative things happening somewhere else that you can't affect. Reddit is close to that in some ways but it strikes a more positive balance overall. You can of course go to random horrible subreddits but there is no point to going there.

In reddit/all the most negative story for me is "Dead sperm whale found with 30 kilograms of trash in digestive system " which is not about a human (thus not as bad for my mental state) and something I can marginally affect. Then to balance that there was 5 things that made me chuckle or smile. So better news channel for my mental health than normal news.

Actually reading deep into comment trees is not recommended though. Non-curated discussions tend to have bad parts, sadly. Though top rated comments usually tends to be insightful or interesting and often worth reading.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 12 2018 16:33 GMT
#189354
shucks im sure glad to be living in a place that does not care in the slightest about the language wars that have been going on in the united states
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2018 16:33 GMT
#189355
The new God of War game is really good and a critique of the previous games by the people who made those games. And the axe works like Thor's hammer. RIP $60 bucks.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 12 2018 16:37 GMT
#189356
Snoman is right when he says that the language policing thats been going on since 2012ish is exclusively an american thing

Literally no one else on earth cares
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 16:42:26
April 12 2018 16:42 GMT
#189357
On April 13 2018 01:33 Plansix wrote:
The new God of War game is really good and a critique of the previous games by the people who made those games. And the axe works like Thor's hammer. RIP $60 bucks.


Didn't realize the game was out yet.

edit: its not so sad
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 16:43:04
April 12 2018 16:42 GMT
#189358
Although I agree with him in concept, I'm not sure it applies to dropping the N-bomb during a broadcast. That has been bad for a while now. Social media just makes the outrage and counter outrage available for everyone to watch in real time. Prior to that, fans of the past had to say "I didn't think it was that bad" to the three friends that also followed the sport and then the discussion was over.
On April 13 2018 01:42 Spicy_Curry wrote:
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On April 13 2018 01:33 Plansix wrote:
The new God of War game is really good and a critique of the previous games by the people who made those games. And the axe works like Thor's hammer. RIP $60 bucks.


Didn't realize the game was out yet.

Reviews are up today. The people with opinions I care about say it is worth my time and money.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 12 2018 16:42 GMT
#189359
Also as someone who was routinely called the n word in the workplace i can say as a white man that it makes you feel fucking cool
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2018 16:47 GMT
#189360
On April 13 2018 01:42 PassiveAce wrote:
Also as someone who was routinely called the n word in the workplace i can say as a white man that it makes you feel fucking cool

With you on that. It is one of those experiences that only a small group of people can have. That your black co-workers collectively decided they were comfortable using that word with you. When I wife did housing work, she had the same experience with her black co-workers because my wife was able to navigate being the only white girl in black communities. But it is something you can't take beyond that group of people and is hard to explain to someone who might be more guarded about the N-word.
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