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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 18:44:50
April 03 2018 18:43 GMT
#188821
On April 04 2018 03:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 03:36 Nevuk wrote:
If you tell someone to kill themself and they do it, are you culpable?

Depends.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/us/michelle-carter-texting-suicide-sentencing/index.html

oh damn just 15 months ezpz

honestly a conviction like that could probably only happen in MA
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
April 03 2018 18:44 GMT
#188822
On April 04 2018 03:40 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 03:26 harodihg wrote:
You're right, it is easy to say things that someone can't directly empathize with. But doesn't it seem sort of odd for a company like twitch for instance to ban someone for saying "kill yourself" to a random person online but it's totally acceptable to just find various other insults to harass someone with? Maybe I'm just more of a proponent of "it's just words on the internet, get over it" idk

I'm not saying it's nice, or okay - but just that it's no different from being shitty to other people in general and not some "next level" of awful like some people make it out to be

Probably a greater question of where internet "bullying" (stupid term) starts and ends, and how internet culture and anonymity has different effects on the vulnerable human psyche.


Yeah, I get that I'm probably coming off super contrarian or like I'm pro-toxicity but really I just don't think limiting verbiage changes how awful people treat one another. And at the end of the day it's the awfulness and sheer terrible treatment someone might receive that could push them over, not just someone saying kill yourself
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 18:49:44
April 03 2018 18:47 GMT
#188823
On April 04 2018 03:40 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 03:26 harodihg wrote:
You're right, it is easy to say things that someone can't directly empathize with. But doesn't it seem sort of odd for a company like twitch for instance to ban someone for saying "kill yourself" to a random person online but it's totally acceptable to just find various other insults to harass someone with? Maybe I'm just more of a proponent of "it's just words on the internet, get over it" idk

I'm not saying it's nice, or okay - but just that it's no different from being shitty to other people in general and not some "next level" of awful like some people make it out to be

Probably a greater question of where internet "bullying" (stupid term) starts and ends, and how internet culture and anonymity has different effects on the vulnerable human psyche.

More importantly, how the people who say things like “Its just the internet and its always been like this(it hasn’t)” want to create an environment where they can be horrible to people without consequences. They want to create place where they can chase anyone out that they do not like or who promotes things they do not want to care about. We see is across geek culture.

There is an active movement in comics right now to punish and harass authors and publishers creative diverse comics. They are not even trying to hide it. They are openly saying they will go after anyone who creates comics about brown people, women, gays or anyone that isn’t a white dude.

On April 04 2018 03:43 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 03:41 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2018 03:36 Nevuk wrote:
If you tell someone to kill themself and they do it, are you culpable?

Depends.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/us/michelle-carter-texting-suicide-sentencing/index.html

oh damn just 15 months ezpz

honestly a conviction like that could probably only happen in MA

That is still a healthy chunk of jail time and it’s an untested ruling. It would have been challenged if the Judge shot the moon with it.
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harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
April 03 2018 18:51 GMT
#188824
The first part of that directly relates back to what I said, oh no.... hope it's not addressed at me, and that maybe you know me well enough to know I'm very much a proponent of being inclusive :|

Fudge
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2018 18:55 GMT
#188825
Part of including people is giving up part of the space you occupy to those people. If you want women/brown people to join a group that you are part of, they are going to have opinions about what happens going forward. Inclusion is change.
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 03 2018 18:59 GMT
#188826
how's the discussion on basic income in your countries? Do you ever see it happening in a decade or two if a lot of peoples skills didn't become needed anymore?
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harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
April 03 2018 19:01 GMT
#188827
Anything even remotely related to socialism (healthcare, basic income, etc) is viewed as the devil

I live in Atlanta (major city in southeast USA)
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 03 2018 19:03 GMT
#188828
On April 04 2018 03:59 Gosi wrote:
how's the discussion on basic income in your countries? Do you ever see it happening in a decade or two if a lot of peoples skills didn't become needed anymore?

At the moment, I can only imagine European countries talking about this in the future without significant change.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
April 03 2018 19:07 GMT
#188829
On April 04 2018 03:59 Gosi wrote:
how's the discussion on basic income in your countries? Do you ever see it happening in a decade or two if a lot of peoples skills didn't become needed anymore?

Our province is giving it a trial in a few cities and income brackets, but I suspect it will take a few years before they can come to a conclusion about it with the data. Hard to tell on how accepted it will be, because while we are a relatively sympathetic bunch, we also can view them as leeches who will use it as an excuse to never work again. I can't see it being accepted in the near future frankly, unless it's for extreme cases.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 03 2018 19:13 GMT
#188830
No I don't think you get kaya on like any hero ever.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
April 03 2018 19:18 GMT
#188831
On April 04 2018 04:13 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
No I don't think you get kaya on like any hero ever.



Wrong. It pwns on storm and Zeus

Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
April 03 2018 19:27 GMT
#188832
Basic income will not be a thing until machines take enough jobs that unemployement gets to record breaking rates month after month

Discussion about it in Brasil is near 0 from what i know
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 19:42:54
April 03 2018 19:42 GMT
#188833
On April 04 2018 03:59 Gosi wrote:
how's the discussion on basic income in your countries? Do you ever see it happening in a decade or two if a lot of peoples skills didn't become needed anymore?

depends on the state. It's grounds for getting curbstomped in some rural places

On April 04 2018 04:18 harodihg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 04:13 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
No I don't think you get kaya on like any hero ever.



Wrong. It pwns on storm and Zeus


and techies
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12171 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 19:51:21
April 03 2018 19:49 GMT
#188834
Mm, the current discussion is about labour shortage. Especially qualified labour shortage with companies starting their own educations to find people with the right qualifications for CNC operators and other slightly qualified positions that there isn't enough people educating themselves for.

Seems a bit short sighted for me but the current problem isn't people not being able to find employment in the current high upturn of the economy. In the coming crash in 2-3 years it will be harsher of course (I could be totally wrong, economy just mirrors the 2008 crash at 2006).

On a separate topic, if I decide to go on a losing streak by picking Alchemist, Medusa or one of the other lowest win rate heroes. Can I drop back down to tier 6 battlecup or will this Divine 0 force me to play tier 7 until next reset? 4781 is when I broke that limit, started climbing March 24:th at middle ancient 3. Could probably do it faster if I played more, likely averaged 4 solo ranked games a day.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 03 2018 19:53 GMT
#188835
IDK I don't think battlecup tier is so fluid
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12171 Posts
April 03 2018 19:58 GMT
#188836
On April 04 2018 04:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
IDK I don't think battlecup tier is so fluid


Guess I should keep climbing then so I get back up above 5k after the reset but not up to 5.5k where I get tier 8. Though I suddenly lost a ton of motivation for solo ranked, was a reason I stayed at Ancient 3 for ages after reset...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 20:34:11
April 03 2018 20:33 GMT
#188837
puj arcana is awful huh
lmao

its actually so bad xd
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 03 2018 20:37 GMT
#188838
shooter at youtube HQ apparently
is this because youtube removed gun videos
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 03 2018 21:10 GMT
#188839
Maybe it's just youtube demonetizing themselves.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2018 21:20 GMT
#188840
On April 04 2018 06:10 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Maybe it's just youtube demonetizing themselves.

No.
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