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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 17:45:02
March 10 2015 17:44 GMT
#15321
On March 11 2015 02:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
pl owns r u watching this game

Pretty sure this game is just two temas being incompetent throwing eachother and one another.

Also somehow they actually drafted a team that is not good against pl.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 10 2015 17:45 GMT
#15322
yeah but if sing can make pl look good then how good must that hero actually be?
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 10 2015 17:45 GMT
#15323
ur a moderator arent you supposed to ban these guys and redirect this to the lr thread so that we get a more diverse community
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 17:45 GMT
#15324
On March 11 2015 02:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but if sing can make pl look good then how good must that hero actually be?

Compelling argument
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 17:46:41
March 10 2015 17:45 GMT
#15325
On March 11 2015 02:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but if sing can make pl look good then how good must that hero actually be?

I dunno i've tried this hero in pubs time and time again and it just odesn't win games.

I mean NIP wins that game if tide blink isn't cancelled by wave of terror.

On March 11 2015 02:45 andyrau wrote:
ur a moderator arent you supposed to ban these guys and redirect this to the lr thread so that we get a more diverse community


pls dont backseat mod
-comeh
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 17:48:33
March 10 2015 17:46 GMT
#15326
PL is on the strong side right now, not as a late game carry but as a mid-game snowballer, kinda like qop or something.

I also think CK is decently strong, aside from being ult-dependent and thus having tempo issues against a lot of comps. Luna seems kinda booty outside of comps that can take all 6 outer towers and control the map within the first 20 minutes (which isn't as strong as in TI4, obv, but can probably still beat certain types of comps)

have you heard of TAKI the PL spammer? http://www.dotabuff.com/players/51823648/matches?date=patch_6.83c&hero=phantom-lancer&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&faction=&duration=

he's probably not the best PL, but he's had a decent winrate on this patch
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 10 2015 17:47 GMT
#15327
On March 11 2015 02:45 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 02:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but if sing can make pl look good then how good must that hero actually be?

Compelling argument

Somewhere PPD and Puppy are watching and thinking "I can work with this". I would watch some Fear/Sumail PL and see how that works out. Though I don't think he would be great mid, but who knows.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 10 2015 17:47 GMT
#15328
On March 11 2015 02:40 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 02:07 andyrau wrote:
he said that he didn't know much about it and gave a real pr response by saying it was probably 'in their priorities' and they have a 'whole team' dedicated to working towards it.

Man LoL's replay system will be like the best thing ever made ever considering how long they've had it in their priorities and worked on it! :D

/s

i didnt want to act antagonistic irl im supposed to be a mature and understanding adult
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 10 2015 17:48 GMT
#15329
On March 11 2015 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 02:45 Acritter wrote:
On March 11 2015 02:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but if sing can make pl look good then how good must that hero actually be?

Compelling argument

Somewhere PPD and Puppy are watching and thinking "I can work with this". I would watch some Fear/Sumail PL and see how that works out. Though I don't think he would be great mid, but who knows.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1300118674
@comeh i think thats on u not the champion in question
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 17:49:53
March 10 2015 17:49 GMT
#15330
On March 11 2015 02:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
PL is on the strong side right now, not as a late game carry but as a mid-game snowballer, kinda like qop or something.

I also think CK is decently strong, aside from being ult-dependent and thus having tempo issues against a lot of comps. Luna seems kinda booty outside of comps that can take all 6 outer towers and control the map within the first 20 minutes (which isn't as strong as in TI4, obv, but can probably still beat certain types of comps)

PL has this issue where his item after diffusal doesn't do enough - he awkwardly needs like damage, survivability, and utility at the same time, but can't have all 3, so he just feels like COMPLETE ass by that time. THat's usually when i lose my pub games.

Also every time i play him in a pub my team goes like 0-15 in lane so i dunno maybe that has something to do with it - but if im playing slark i can still win those games.

TBH I think pl should be played mid more than any other position. htat's the way i think he can work.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 10 2015 17:51 GMT
#15331
Hmmm, the skipping levels in doople for more stats makes sense. Thats a interesting build.

That SB had a bad fucking game, holy shit. What a terrible line up to pick him into.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 10 2015 17:52 GMT
#15332
On March 11 2015 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 02:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 11 2015 02:45 Acritter wrote:
On March 11 2015 02:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but if sing can make pl look good then how good must that hero actually be?

Compelling argument

Somewhere PPD and Puppy are watching and thinking "I can work with this". I would watch some Fear/Sumail PL and see how that works out. Though I don't think he would be great mid, but who knows.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1300118674
@comeh i think thats on u not the champion in question

They were against NotToday.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 17:54:27
March 10 2015 17:54 GMT
#15333
i wasn't saying that that game showcased PL as op, but p6 wanted to watch fear on PL so I linked it

besides, mi pastor!
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 10 2015 17:59 GMT
#15334
also everytime i hear about bad league coding, this event springs to mind:

http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5159/the-day-bullshit-came-to-the-lcs
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 10 2015 18:02 GMT
#15335
wat a noob missed steroided scaling version of light strike array
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 10 2015 18:03 GMT
#15336
The reason that league coding is terrible is because it fosters ingenuity just like dota allstars did. It also serves as a mental exercise for their coders that suffer from early onset Alzheimers.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 18:03 GMT
#15337
On March 11 2015 02:59 ahswtini wrote:
also everytime i hear about bad league coding, this event springs to mind:

http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5159/the-day-bullshit-came-to-the-lcs

I only skimmed but from the sound of it there was a game-losing bug that fucked over a single fight.

Wow. For comparison, the worst thing to happen to DOTA2 was that fuckery with fountain hooking in TI3 (which was not a bug, but which proved so fucking annoying that it was instantly banned).
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 10 2015 18:07 GMT
#15338
wow you guys put serious work in the hour I was gone. im glad you all enjoyed my joke. shoutout to erasme for making it worse :D

I wonder what life would be like with fountain hooking?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 18:08:41
March 10 2015 18:07 GMT
#15339
nono its like
u cast split earth (which is ur ulti) and nothing happens
and ur like wtf it went on cooldown what do????
then it happens 12s later after the fight has moved
and ur like VOLVO PLS

its not a funny interaction its a legit "our game literally is non-functional" bug. it cost them a roshan and in LoL where u literally can't win as soon as ur behind it put them way behind rofl.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 10 2015 18:07 GMT
#15340
On March 11 2015 03:03 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 02:59 ahswtini wrote:
also everytime i hear about bad league coding, this event springs to mind:

http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5159/the-day-bullshit-came-to-the-lcs

I only skimmed but from the sound of it there was a game-losing bug that fucked over a single fight.

Wow. For comparison, the worst thing to happen to DOTA2 was that fuckery with fountain hooking in TI3 (which was not a bug, but which proved so fucking annoying that it was instantly banned).

the thing is, fountain hooking was known and not a random occurance either

in the case of that game-losing bug, well, imagine in dota there is a 1% chance that your ability doesnt cast instantly, but then casts 5 seconds later
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