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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 22:53:37
February 26 2015 22:52 GMT
#12221
I don't have any particular association with prophet. It's been a while since TI3.

On February 27 2015 07:51 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 07:46 Belisarius wrote:
I am obviously not enough of a regular to follow the mutating variations on superiorsuperiorliquidsuperiormoba. Which is which again?

Also it's amazing how much effect people's hero portraits have on how I read their posts. Ahswtini was a cool guy when he was morphling, but now there's a riki I immediately think that poster is a dick. Same for meepo, but that's sometimes accurate.

If there was a pony related hero I'd have it as my portrait. As funny as having KOTL would be, it's not quite obvious enough for me


Surely enchantress....?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
February 26 2015 22:53 GMT
#12222
On February 27 2015 07:51 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 07:46 Belisarius wrote:
I am obviously not enough of a regular to follow the mutating variations on superiorsuperiorliquidsuperiormoba. Which is which again?

Also it's amazing how much effect people's hero portraits have on how I read their posts. Ahswtini was a cool guy when he was morphling, but now there's a riki I immediately think that poster is a dick. Same for meepo, but that's sometimes accurate.

If there was a pony related hero I'd have it as my portrait. As funny as having KOTL would be, it's not quite obvious enough for me

Leshrac is basically a grumpy pony with arms
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
February 26 2015 22:53 GMT
#12223
everyone should listen to me because i am io

beep boop
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 26 2015 22:55 GMT
#12224
On February 27 2015 07:52 Belisarius wrote:
I don't have any particular association with prophet. It's been a while since TI3.

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 07:51 Qbek wrote:
On February 27 2015 07:46 Belisarius wrote:
I am obviously not enough of a regular to follow the mutating variations on superiorsuperiorliquidsuperiormoba. Which is which again?

Also it's amazing how much effect people's hero portraits have on how I read their posts. Ahswtini was a cool guy when he was morphling, but now there's a riki I immediately think that poster is a dick. Same for meepo, but that's sometimes accurate.

If there was a pony related hero I'd have it as my portrait. As funny as having KOTL would be, it's not quite obvious enough for me


Surely enchantress....?

I'm so over enchantress.

Which reminds me! Doe butt day is like in march! Time to prep!
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
February 26 2015 22:57 GMT
#12225
Those reddit threads are hilarious. The players there have the funniest things to say.

"A champions strength shouldn't be dictated based on if you buy a QSS or not.

Veigar as you mentioned, gets completely shafted by the appropriate itemization, and completely dominates when people fail to itemize against him. He was also seeing quite a few picks in high elo as both a mid and a support because you can't really outplay him. All his kit was unable to be dodged, meaning he either stunned you and killed you in that timeframe or got off his instant damage before you killed him, or he just blows his combo then dies.

Zed, for example, has multiple ways to approach the game, and even when a champion gets QSS, he is still very bursty, has a lot of sustained damage and good outplay potential and is also a good split pusher. Zed can also be outplayed pretty hard since all his abilities can be dodged or negated

While the Veigar changes were god awful, his kit was just completely unhealthy in multiple ways."


This was particularly funny to me as pretty much every hero in Dota has to be balanced around BKB and how strong it is. Ah well, different games I guess.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 26 2015 23:00 GMT
#12226
On February 27 2015 06:01 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 05:59 Nevuk wrote:
On February 27 2015 05:49 Comeh wrote:
On February 27 2015 05:38 FinestHour wrote:
5.4 superior moba patch has so many people up in arms
time for dota to shine !!!!

whats different about it

well, in dota you can deny

...

I meant what did hte patch change

AND YOU DAMN WELL KNEW WHAT I MEANT

Yeah, but it was the chance of a lifetime. I could play further and claim I meant dota version 5.4 but I have no idea what version 5.4 was like.

Sidenote - i've had my monitor like 4-5 feet away from my face for the past month. I didn't realize it was that far until I moved it closer and could read text far better
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
February 26 2015 23:01 GMT
#12227
hey do you guys like dota and think LoL is stupid? I do, I think I'm in the right place. hah! XD
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
February 26 2015 23:04 GMT
#12228
We don't talk about dota in this thread
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
February 26 2015 23:07 GMT
#12229
Where is Rocketbear, Skrillex is streaming on twitch right now.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
February 26 2015 23:10 GMT
#12230
I have been summoned, where is the stream of our king? The Mozart of our time
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
February 26 2015 23:10 GMT
#12231
In fairness to lol, DAC was one of the most diverse tournaments I have seen in quite awhile in terms of hero picks.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 23:11:51
February 26 2015 23:11 GMT
#12232
DotA 5.4 was actually really fun
That era was the beginning of "serious DotA"
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 26 2015 23:12 GMT
#12233
On February 27 2015 08:01 crms wrote:
hey do you guys like dota and think LoL is stupid? I do, I think I'm in the right place. hah! XD


r u ok jeff #2
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
February 26 2015 23:12 GMT
#12234
On February 27 2015 08:10 Jaaaaasper wrote:
In fairness to lol, DAC was one of the most diverse tournaments I have seen in quite awhile in terms of hero picks.

we're not fair to anybody

ever.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
February 26 2015 23:18 GMT
#12235
On February 27 2015 08:10 Jaaaaasper wrote:
In fairness to lol, DAC was one of the most diverse tournaments I have seen in quite awhile in terms of hero picks.


that was probably due to the sheer volume of games played at DAC
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 26 2015 23:24 GMT
#12236
On February 27 2015 08:18 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 08:10 Jaaaaasper wrote:
In fairness to lol, DAC was one of the most diverse tournaments I have seen in quite awhile in terms of hero picks.


that was probably due to the sheer volume of games played at DAC

And some games were meaningless, so random yolo strats were done.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 26 2015 23:24 GMT
#12237
On February 27 2015 08:18 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 08:10 Jaaaaasper wrote:
In fairness to lol, DAC was one of the most diverse tournaments I have seen in quite awhile in terms of hero picks.


that was probably due to the sheer volume of games played at DAC

Eh, preTI3 era dota had some pretty undiverse tournaments with similar numbers of games played.
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
February 26 2015 23:29 GMT
#12238
On February 27 2015 08:24 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 08:18 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:10 Jaaaaasper wrote:
In fairness to lol, DAC was one of the most diverse tournaments I have seen in quite awhile in terms of hero picks.


that was probably due to the sheer volume of games played at DAC

Eh, preTI3 era dota had some pretty undiverse tournaments with similar numbers of games played.


most of them weren't LANs and none of them really got close to the number of games played at DAC... there were 200+ games from the group stages of DAC alone
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 26 2015 23:35 GMT
#12239
On February 27 2015 08:11 Kupon3ss wrote:
DotA 5.4 was actually really fun
That era was the beginning of "serious DotA"

I know that dota 5.0 was sorta the cause of the whole Neichus/Icefrog dispute/falling out (which is a pity, the heroes Neichus actually designed/implemented are pretty important, Pudge, Sand King both remain basically unchanged and he added several more. He also added the bracer, there's both an AMA on reddit with him and a thread somewhere back in the TL era of LD where he was talking about his accomplishments, he didn't seem to think he added much. It does seem like Icefrog has somewhat made up with Neichus since the PL remake is very close to Neichus' vision for the hero).

Neichus admits it was pretty much entirely his own fault and he doesn't blame icefrog if icefrog has hard feelings at all, rare to see that sort of honesty but Neichus isn't in a position where that kind of statement costs him anything (high school biology teacher now, iirc). It is interesting to read Neichus' position on the whole scaling of things, he wanted to remove old aura abilities that were boring (ie SF -armor) and add some way for int heroes to scale to the lategame, he felt like the scaling of spell based heroes was a design flaw that's been covered over with the level cap and other strategies very well. Which is somewhat of a middleground between LoL and Dota philosophies.

Was 5.4 the blink dagger Vigoss era?

I dunno why I'm talking about neichus right now.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 23:36:15
February 26 2015 23:35 GMT
#12240
On February 27 2015 08:29 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 08:24 Nevuk wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:18 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:10 Jaaaaasper wrote:
In fairness to lol, DAC was one of the most diverse tournaments I have seen in quite awhile in terms of hero picks.


that was probably due to the sheer volume of games played at DAC

Eh, preTI3 era dota had some pretty undiverse tournaments with similar numbers of games played.


most of them weren't LANs and none of them really got close to the number of games played at DAC... there were 200+ games from the group stages of DAC alone

There weren't 200+ games in the groups stage. There were a lot of games, but it was almost half that number. It was like 100-120.
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