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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-20 17:16:44
February 20 2015 17:16 GMT
#11141
Bulba has really stagnated, not that he was ever an amazing player. People just remember the sick clock plays.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44283 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-20 17:27:54
February 20 2015 17:27 GMT
#11142
On February 21 2015 01:42 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 01:35 goody153 wrote:
On February 21 2015 01:26 BluemoonSC wrote:
well we don't know for sure what the synergy was like on the team. just being a good support doesn't mean you fit with the team.

Yeah

They probably had issues that only the ones inside the team knew. Especially considering that they are a long term team(16 months was it ?)


4/5 were long term, they kicked sing after ti4. after he played really well.

dunno, i don't think fata was better, but again..we do know the synergy there. sing was not being drafted his best heroes (source: sing)

as far as we've seen he isn't particularly great outside ember/meepo/mirana/alchemist/qop

i remember like 2 pro players saying that sing isn't really amazing(iceiceice and the other guy is probably rtz but i can't be sure) mid and his heropool for the current meta is outdated ..

so is he like EGM ? you know a niche player but extremely good at what his doing(4 pos for alliance ) ?
this is a quote
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-20 17:28:31
February 20 2015 17:27 GMT
#11143
On February 21 2015 01:48 Comeh wrote:
Sing's performance at TI4 was pretty overrated tbh.

Sing is overrated.


I think he is overrated too, however there were several games where I remember saying "what would they do if sing wasn't playing right now"

On February 21 2015 02:27 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 01:42 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 21 2015 01:35 goody153 wrote:
On February 21 2015 01:26 BluemoonSC wrote:
well we don't know for sure what the synergy was like on the team. just being a good support doesn't mean you fit with the team.

Yeah

They probably had issues that only the ones inside the team knew. Especially considering that they are a long term team(16 months was it ?)


4/5 were long term, they kicked sing after ti4. after he played really well.

dunno, i don't think fata was better, but again..we do know the synergy there. sing was not being drafted his best heroes (source: sing)

as far as we've seen he isn't particularly great outside ember/meepo/mirana/alchemist/qop

i remember like 2 pro players saying that sing isn't really amazing(iceiceice and the other guy is probably rtz but i can't be sure) mid and his heropool for the current meta is outdated ..

so is he like EGM ? you know a niche player but extremely good at what his doing(4 pos for alliance ) ?


yeah his hero pool is really shallow sadly. he played brew quite well at ti4.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44283 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-20 17:32:14
February 20 2015 17:32 GMT
#11144
On February 21 2015 02:27 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 02:27 goody153 wrote:
On February 21 2015 01:42 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 21 2015 01:35 goody153 wrote:
On February 21 2015 01:26 BluemoonSC wrote:
well we don't know for sure what the synergy was like on the team. just being a good support doesn't mean you fit with the team.

Yeah

They probably had issues that only the ones inside the team knew. Especially considering that they are a long term team(16 months was it ?)


4/5 were long term, they kicked sing after ti4. after he played really well.

dunno, i don't think fata was better, but again..we do know the synergy there. sing was not being drafted his best heroes (source: sing)

as far as we've seen he isn't particularly great outside ember/meepo/mirana/alchemist/qop

i remember like 2 pro players saying that sing isn't really amazing(iceiceice and the other guy is probably rtz but i can't be sure) mid and his heropool for the current meta is outdated ..

so is he like EGM ? you know a niche player but extremely good at what his doing(4 pos for alliance ) ?


yeah his hero pool is really shallow sadly. he played brew quite well at ti4.

oh crap i almost forgot about his brew

also didn't he play invoker during the invoker meta ? envy was probably the best invoker(TI4 but it could possibly be the other guy who can play invoker and the other cores that time needs to play other heroes) of the team before fata arrived
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 20 2015 17:32 GMT
#11145
i don't remember sing's invoker too well, but it's possible.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 20 2015 17:33 GMT
#11146
i just wanna see merloobi's team play already cause im a tc fanboy
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44283 Posts
February 20 2015 17:36 GMT
#11147
i actually have only seen one game of him .. lol it was part of some highlight vod so i may be biased about it

On February 21 2015 01:48 Comeh wrote:
Sing's performance at TI4 was pretty overrated tbh.

Sing is overrated.

TI4 C9 made sing look good .. especially during the ember/meepo games cause he had shit ton of farm that time
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 20 2015 17:49 GMT
#11148
well i looked at the reddit thread to see what the sing fuss was about

dude compared his gpm/xpm to players on teams that placed 11-14th lmfao
and i guess navi who placed what, 9th?
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 20 2015 17:56 GMT
#11149
i think the sing talk on LD stemmed from talking about the c9 kicks. but, idk, i feel like while he is overrated, he can still compete on a t2 team and perform well against good players if he were to increase his hero pool.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
February 20 2015 17:56 GMT
#11150
delusion is an important part of the fanboyism

look, that post is basically a well disguised shitpost of 'singsing is underrated', ofc it got responses.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
February 20 2015 17:58 GMT
#11151
On February 21 2015 02:49 andyrau wrote:
well i looked at the reddit thread to see what the sing fuss was about

dude compared his gpm/xpm to players on teams that placed 11-14th lmfao
and i guess navi who placed what, 9th?

And C9, EG, DK, etc.

Comparing stats is still bullshit analysis, but he mentioned players from all kinds of teams.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 20 2015 18:04 GMT
#11152
i dunno man, if i look at dotabuff, i see TP scrolls with a sub 50% win rate so clearly a trash tier pick up. envy didn't need one and look where he wound up!

besides, statistics never lie according to paralleluniverse so i think that sing probably should have gone on to win ti4.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
February 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#11153
indeed, if only we had some sort of graph that helped prove that
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#11154
Do you gave a graph to back up that claim?
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
February 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#11155
beat you to it false cm
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#11156
On February 21 2015 02:58 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 02:49 andyrau wrote:
well i looked at the reddit thread to see what the sing fuss was about

dude compared his gpm/xpm to players on teams that placed 11-14th lmfao
and i guess navi who placed what, 9th?

And C9, EG, DK, etc.

Comparing stats is still bullshit analysis, but he mentioned players from all kinds of teams.

he compared sing to ee tho and we all know why that gpm/xpm was skewed
he also compared the sing's farming 1/2 mid to the offlaner on nb, wow he played better than xiao8 that's a big chinese name!!

the only legit stats were mushi and burning's but dk played an all around different style
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#11157
i have a pie chart that really illustrates this situation well.

[image loading]

i hope this helps.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-20 18:09:59
February 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#11158
FHDH brought useless graphs to sqsa if u guys are undergoing withdrawal
E: dammit bluemoon
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
February 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#11159
what the hell is sqsa
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
February 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#11160
simple questions simple answers
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