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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 08 2015 13:17 GMT
#50921
On July 08 2015 22:14 eieio wrote:
just remembered I had a dream last night that blizz removed some type of card from HS, reduced deck size by 5 or something, and then added 5 random cards of the removed type to your deck every game.

That would be interesting to play, if not a bit dysfunctional.
kiss kiss fall in love
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
July 08 2015 13:26 GMT
#50922
On July 08 2015 22:17 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:14 eieio wrote:
just remembered I had a dream last night that blizz removed some type of card from HS, reduced deck size by 5 or something, and then added 5 random cards of the removed type to your deck every game.

That would be interesting to play, if not a bit dysfunctional.

HS is all about the randomness already, I see no problems. :D
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 13:32:44
July 08 2015 13:32 GMT
#50923
On July 08 2015 22:26 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:17 IntoTheheart wrote:
On July 08 2015 22:14 eieio wrote:
just remembered I had a dream last night that blizz removed some type of card from HS, reduced deck size by 5 or something, and then added 5 random cards of the removed type to your deck every game.

That would be interesting to play, if not a bit dysfunctional.

HS is all about the randomness already, I see no problems. :D

I came into HS from playing MTG and I feel like the amount of randomness has really increased since I started playing in the beta. I think that it's fair - randomness in MTG isn't easy to produce (there aren't specific rules on how to be random for certain cards: + Show Spoiler +
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=368964&type=card
) but I felt like when you can randomize digitally, you may as well go for it.

Certain things (like card draw being random) I didn't mind, because I got used to that when I started playing MTG.
kiss kiss fall in love
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
July 08 2015 13:36 GMT
#50924
To be fair, mtg also had cards that you could rip up and shower your opponents board with to destroy all of it if enough of the scraps turned over once.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 08 2015 13:38 GMT
#50925
On July 08 2015 22:36 dismiss wrote:
To be fair, mtg also had cards that you could rip up and shower your opponents board with to destroy all of it if enough of the scraps turned over once.

I believe that card was banned from competitive play after that one guy pulled it off.
kiss kiss fall in love
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 13:39:43
July 08 2015 13:38 GMT
#50926
there's Yugioh (the serious yugioh) where the draws doesn't matter much as long as you get to start the combo of cards you need and everything just comes out of your deck and sideboard into the field

mtg is probably the card with the most board wipes evah (but i haven't played a lot of card games)
this is a quote
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 08 2015 13:39 GMT
#50927
I believe that card was from the joke set and wasn't meant fro comp play at all...
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 13:41:32
July 08 2015 13:40 GMT
#50928
On July 08 2015 22:39 Qbek wrote:
I believe that card was from the joke set and wasn't meant fro comp play at all...

Was it from unhinged? I believe that all those cards are still legacy-legal, so it's Wizards' fault, really.

On July 08 2015 22:38 goody153 wrote:
there's Yugioh (the serious yugioh) where the draws doesn't matter much as long as you get to start the combo of cards you need and everything just comes out of your deck and sideboard into the field

mtg is probably the card with the most board wipes evah (but i haven't played a lot of card games)


Yeah MTG has a lot of those, but I think that MTG was a lot more about spells than creatures in the early stages, while I think that HS is about creature combat.
kiss kiss fall in love
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
July 08 2015 13:42 GMT
#50929
unhinged and unglued have never been tournament legal

and other dexterity cards like chaos orb are specifically made illegal even in vintage
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TL+ Member
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
July 08 2015 13:43 GMT
#50930
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chaos orb

it was a perfectly fine card you shitlords. n_n
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 08 2015 13:43 GMT
#50931
Oh really, I must be thinking of something else entirely.
kiss kiss fall in love
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 13:45:01
July 08 2015 13:44 GMT
#50932
On July 08 2015 22:40 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:39 Qbek wrote:
I believe that card was from the joke set and wasn't meant fro comp play at all...

Was it from unhinged? I believe that all those cards are still legacy-legal, so it's Wizards' fault, really.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:38 goody153 wrote:
there's Yugioh (the serious yugioh) where the draws doesn't matter much as long as you get to start the combo of cards you need and everything just comes out of your deck and sideboard into the field

mtg is probably the card with the most board wipes evah (but i haven't played a lot of card games)


Yeah MTG has a lot of those, but I think that MTG was a lot more about spells than creatures in the early stages, while I think that HS is about creature combat.



MtG also has mostly been about creatures since at least 6-7 years ago. Arguably even since Mirrodin most of the time.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 08 2015 13:45 GMT
#50933
On July 08 2015 22:43 dismiss wrote:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chaos orb

it was a perfectly fine card you shitlords. n_n

Seems balanced.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 13:47:16
July 08 2015 13:45 GMT
#50934
On July 08 2015 22:44 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:40 IntoTheheart wrote:
On July 08 2015 22:39 Qbek wrote:
I believe that card was from the joke set and wasn't meant fro comp play at all...

Was it from unhinged? I believe that all those cards are still legacy-legal, so it's Wizards' fault, really.

On July 08 2015 22:38 goody153 wrote:
there's Yugioh (the serious yugioh) where the draws doesn't matter much as long as you get to start the combo of cards you need and everything just comes out of your deck and sideboard into the field

mtg is probably the card with the most board wipes evah (but i haven't played a lot of card games)


Yeah MTG has a lot of those, but I think that MTG was a lot more about spells than creatures in the early stages, while I think that HS is about creature combat.



MtG also has mostly been about creatures since at least 6-7 years ago. Arguably even since Mirrodin most of the time.

Yeah you're right, but correct me if I'm wrong when I say that at one point, spells were significantly more valuable than creature spells.

e: most of what I know about MTG history comes from Channel Fireball's weekly videos where they talk about the one-creature control decks sometimes.
kiss kiss fall in love
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
July 08 2015 13:48 GMT
#50935
On July 08 2015 22:43 dismiss wrote:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chaos orb

it was a perfectly fine card you shitlords. n_n

What the hell this is incredible ahaha
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 08 2015 13:49 GMT
#50936
I wish you could do low minion decks in HS. Spell based control decks were my fav in mtg...

What I'm saying is

FUCK YOU BLIZZ
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 13:50:53
July 08 2015 13:49 GMT
#50937
On July 08 2015 22:38 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:36 dismiss wrote:
To be fair, mtg also had cards that you could rip up and shower your opponents board with to destroy all of it if enough of the scraps turned over once.

I believe that card was banned from competitive play after that one guy pulled it off.

actually I'm not sure if cynic is talking about chaos orb (dexterity card, now banned, there are old stories of some dude ripping up his chaos orb to destroy a bunch of shit) or chaos confetti (unglued card that's a reference to the ripped up chaos orb story)

since chaos orb has been banned for so long I don't know that there's a ruling on whether ripping it up is legal lol. Although even an unlimited version runs like $100 now so it's a costly strat

either way it's irrelevant dexterity cards have been banned for ages and unhinged/unglued are silver bordered and not tournament legal
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 08 2015 13:51 GMT
#50938
MTG was like that at one point

But then they removed #antifun #burdenofknowledge things like combat stacking and added superior heart based mechanics like miracle
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
July 08 2015 13:52 GMT
#50939
On July 08 2015 22:45 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:44 dismiss wrote:
On July 08 2015 22:40 IntoTheheart wrote:
On July 08 2015 22:39 Qbek wrote:
I believe that card was from the joke set and wasn't meant fro comp play at all...

Was it from unhinged? I believe that all those cards are still legacy-legal, so it's Wizards' fault, really.

On July 08 2015 22:38 goody153 wrote:
there's Yugioh (the serious yugioh) where the draws doesn't matter much as long as you get to start the combo of cards you need and everything just comes out of your deck and sideboard into the field

mtg is probably the card with the most board wipes evah (but i haven't played a lot of card games)


Yeah MTG has a lot of those, but I think that MTG was a lot more about spells than creatures in the early stages, while I think that HS is about creature combat.



MtG also has mostly been about creatures since at least 6-7 years ago. Arguably even since Mirrodin most of the time.

Yeah you're right, but correct me if I'm wrong when I say that at one point, spells were significantly more valuable than creature spells.

e: most of what I know about MTG history comes from Channel Fireball's weekly videos where they talk about the one-creature control decks sometimes.

Yeah, spells definitely were better for a long time. Although that's arguably due to how BAD creatures were back then. Even Vintage nowadays sees a slew of decks trying to punch you with bears.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
July 08 2015 13:56 GMT
#50940
On July 08 2015 22:51 Kupon3ss wrote:
MTG was like that at one point

But then they removed #antifun #burdenofknowledge things like combat stacking and added superior heart based mechanics like miracle

I was so mad when that miracles deck won the pro tour. The people playing it literally just went: "Let's take all these awful cards and put them into one pile, but if we're lucky enough and turn over enough of them OP miracles we can't lose due to how cost effective they are."
It had 33% winrate over all or something ridiculous like that.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
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