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On March 29 2015 09:53 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:52 Acritter wrote:On March 29 2015 09:49 Plansix wrote:
Time for the pro players to complain until the next patch comes so they can complain about that. The circle of life.
Also compairing doto to regular sports is dumb unless the athletes get super powers each time they score. In a physical combat sport, such as boxing or MMA, whenever you get hit by your opponent you lose some of your ability to fight. It's even worse if you get hit on the head. It would be like if, after every boxing round, the boxer who got the fewest hits on the opposition got a pair of brass knuckles. except in dota, the boxer who gets the most hits on the opposition gets a pair of brass knuckles.
We are talking about the comeback mechanic here, which gives the team who is behind a chance to get a lucky pickoff or a lucky teamfight and turn the entire game around. The brass knuckles give the boxer who is behind the ability to cave in the skull of his opponent, similar to how a single nasty teamfight can erase a huge lead instantly.
The situation for a normal game of DOTA, where the team that is ahead has a better chance of continuing to get ahead, is adequately explained for by the way that beating someone up allows you to beat him up even more in the future.
My analogy is actually pretty great.
Also, Storm is fun to 1v1 solo mid with.
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except its bad, because you can only take things away in boxing, in dota, you gain things
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On March 29 2015 09:57 Shaella wrote:
except its bad, because you can only take things away in boxing, in dota, you gain things
And that matters why, when the only relevant factor is the relative strength of the two competing entities?
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because the relative strength is changing in both ways in dota
In dota, killing your enemies not only weakens them, it empowers you. You are not only smacking them down and making it easier for you to beat them up, you're also equipping yourself to be more powerful at the same time, a-la brass fucking knuckles.
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The comeback mechanic likely needs tweaking, but comebacks are what make for exciting games. Pros are not really all about tense exciting games and would just like to get a lead and keep it for the entire game.
Or that's what they think when they are not the team that is behind.
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i went to take a shit at like 01:50 and when i came back it was 03:00
:crazy:
dat summer time
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that already happened for me like 2 weeks ago i think
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This team needs to get their shit togetherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I just want to play this Bo3 
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The issue is mostly the source of the comeback. It shouldn't be from hero kills. DOTA2 is a game where it is incredibly easy to kill heroes. You can kill a hero in the blink of an eye at any stage in the game. All it takes is a moment of oversight, and a hero dies. This makes it incredibly easy for a team who is behind to come back simply because of the natural variance in the game. Comebacks should be possible thanks to efficient use of the map, which is not something that happens in the blink of an eye and thanks to a miniscule mistake, but slowly and due to careful positioning and clever play. To be precise: they should come from rat doto. A team that wins thanks to rat doto does so by showcasing an extremely high level of play. Of course, the team that is ahead needs to have some means of staying ahead and/or ending the game by taking objectives, which naturally should be towers and Roshan. The comeback mechanic stops them from doing this by making the necessary defense the means of the comeback. The losing team should be trying to stop those fights, and when forced into them should be trying desperately to rebuff the enemy team without taking too much damage. The winning team should be trying to force those fights, and when they can accomplish them should be seeking to break the losing team as badly as possible. Right now, sadly, the situation is that the winning team hates to force fights because the fights are where they risk losing it all. The further ahead you are, the less you want to force the issue. This is a sad state of affairs.
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lagged This team needs to get their shit together so we can start, ~3k tournament, voice comms for my team.
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SoCal8933 Posts
On March 29 2015 09:53 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:52 Acritter wrote:On March 29 2015 09:49 Plansix wrote:
Time for the pro players to complain until the next patch comes so they can complain about that. The circle of life.
Also compairing doto to regular sports is dumb unless the athletes get super powers each time they score. In a physical combat sport, such as boxing or MMA, whenever you get hit by your opponent you lose some of your ability to fight. It's even worse if you get hit on the head. It would be like if, after every boxing round, the boxer who got the fewest hits on the opposition got a pair of brass knuckles. except in dota, the boxer who gets the most hits on the opposition gets a pair of brass knuckles.
so the boxer that gets the least amount of hits should get a huge boost after they manage to land one after getting creamed?
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On March 29 2015 10:10 Acritter wrote:
The issue is mostly the source of the comeback. It shouldn't be from hero kills. DOTA2 is a game where it is incredibly easy to kill heroes. You can kill a hero in the blink of an eye at any stage in the game. All it takes is a moment of oversight, and a hero dies. This makes it incredibly easy for a team who is behind to come back simply because of the natural variance in the game. Comebacks should be possible thanks to efficient use of the map, which is not something that happens in the blink of an eye and thanks to a miniscule mistake, but slowly and due to careful positioning and clever play. To be precise: they should come from rat doto. A team that wins thanks to rat doto does so by showcasing an extremely high level of play. Of course, the team that is ahead needs to have some means of staying ahead and/or ending the game by taking objectives, which naturally should be towers and Roshan. The comeback mechanic stops them from doing this by making the necessary defense the means of the comeback. The losing team should be trying to stop those fights, and when forced into them should be trying desperately to rebuff the enemy team without taking too much damage. The winning team should be trying to force those fights, and when they can accomplish them should be seeking to break the losing team as badly as possible. Right now, sadly, the situation is that the winning team hates to force fights because the fights are where they risk losing it all. The further ahead you are, the less you want to force the issue. This is a sad state of affairs.
But if they don't take objectives, they waste the lead. There should be some risk to dota even with a 10k lead. Just because pros don't like the risk doesn't mean it's bad for viewers or dota.
But we all agree, fuck troll.
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I don't get why the miss chance is so high, isn't the hero a strong enough manfighter already with the ult and passive? 50% or even lower sounds more reasonable to me.
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Fuck everything, they pushed back the bands start time to 11pm. Not getting out of here till 1am.
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earthshaker should be a dj so he can drop the bass here too wow
big room edm is so boring now
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yeah i thought he would play trance but thats apparently tomorrow
oh well anyone wanna play doto or cs??
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I would if my internet was set up ill make a post later maybe on why comeback is bad and why xounterarguments arent very good
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SoCal8933 Posts
i will keep my out for your post, comeh
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comeh is actually just avoiding me
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