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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On August 30 2012 01:21 Nevuk wrote: CM can actually farm the jungle far earlier than veno. Her w lasts 10 seconds on almost all neutrals, doing 700 damage plus auto attacks. Her poor ms, now extremely weak aura(due to arcane boots), and lack of pushing are why veno outclasses her. Veno is both a better pusher and antipusher and more useful with less experience after the changes to her q which no longer has the extremely long lasting slow at level 1 that his has retained. In addition veno has much more reliable ultimate that doesn't require channeling. jungle is for hard carry like AM and lone druid... venom is better at farming ancient camp which not every support can. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Crissaegrim
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 30 2012 00:41 NB wrote: another thing that i learned from TI2. When you send BH long lane, you wana get level 2 and start roaming everywhere with bottle @_@ YYF usually stay on lane much longer than level 2 (and he's the only BH worth learning from IMO--all these other guys are phonies). Usually level 4/5 with at least Boots. The amazing thing is that you watch every game of YYF's BH, and you see his skill order is different for every situation in every game. On August 30 2012 00:34 rob.au wrote: I heard something about getting stats as well because it helps you not get fucked up in the jungle doing the PMS, boots1, battlefury build. I don't play AM enough to actually test stuff though so no idea if true. Stats just makes you farm faster in situations where you have uncontested farm. +2 all stats improves your ability to kill creeps far more than any of his other skills--that should be obvious. There are games where you don't want to get any points of stats because the lane demands you have the other spells, but a lot of these games where the enemy chooses to leave AM to farm, or AM is essentially free-farming a 2v1/3v1, there's zero need to actually have his other skills yet. You just want level 4 blink before your Battle Fury is finished, and level 4 Spell Shield before major teamfights. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On August 30 2012 01:40 TheYango wrote: YYF usually stay on lane much longer than level 2 (and he's the only BH worth learning from IMO--all these other guys are phonies). Usually level 4/5 with at least Boots. The amazing thing is that you watch every game of YYF's BH, and you see his skill order is different for every situation in every game. Stats just makes you farm faster in situations where you have uncontested farm. +2 all stats improves your ability to kill creeps far more than any of his other skills--that should be obvious. There are games where you don't want to get any points of stats because the lane demands you have the other spells, but a lot of these games where the enemy chooses to leave AM to farm, or AM is essentially free-farming a 2v1/3v1, there's zero need to actually have his other skills yet. You just want level 4 blink before your Battle Fury is finished, and level 4 Spell Shield before major teamfights. I actually find Demon's BH in their game vs mouz is pretty interesting. Given a tiny bit of luck with the DD rune around 2 min? his BH has quite some synergy with invoker sunstrike and alone win the game for EG. Yeah YYF is good but iG is also using some weird combination in their line up that i think they could easily replace BH with a better pick so it was not much to learn. | ||
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YODA_
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On August 30 2012 01:20 Dead9 wrote: pms is overkill a lot of the time, stout is usually enough for stats just keep going until you feel like you need your other skills pick up some more blink if you wanna farm faster, otherwise you generally just want to have spellshield and manaburn maxed or near-maxed by the time stuff starts happening (when you get your manta and start hitting things that aren't creeps) I agree that it probably is unnecessary, but +6 agi without occupying another item slot, and for 300 gold is a little hard to pass up for me. That's 6 points of damage, +1 armor, and some AS. Unless you're going for some record bfury time, I don't see why you would pass it up. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
it, just like quelling, more or less pays for itself after a few minutes of farming giving the additional efficiency imo, and having it in early teamfights does add a noticible amount of effective hp this is also part of the rationale behind getting stats early game | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Netherlands12045 Posts
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Netherlands12045 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:31 Erasme wrote: Yo, give me again your opinion on vanguard. Isnt it better on doom than on am ? Thing is, doom doesn't really need the extra hp. Tran>RoH, and you don't need any other boots. Only reason you would get it is because of the damage block, but you need to fix your armor problems anyway. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:48 LAN-f34r wrote: Thing is, doom doesn't really need the extra hp. Tran>RoH, and you don't need any other boots. Only reason you would get it is because of the damage block, but you need to fix your armor problems anyway. I just wanted an explanation on the mechanic :p | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:56 Kupon3ss wrote: PMS is actually surprisingly important on antimage, if u get the standard bfury timing, u'll notice that he cant freely clear jungle without the additional IAS and armor (as a tiny difference as they might seem) and a quelling, this is actually the rationale (as far as i can tell) of the -.1 base attack speed and -1 armor AM nerf back from when it was the strongest carry in the game. it, just like quelling, more or less pays for itself after a few minutes of farming giving the additional efficiency imo, and having it in early teamfights does add a noticible amount of effective hp this is also part of the rationale behind getting stats early game u can jungle pretty comfortably with a stout/hatchet/bfury by like level 10, probably earlier a minute or so earlier on the bfury is a decent chunk of gold yo pms does help in early teamfights but u can just avoid those anyway | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 30 2012 09:44 Dead9 wrote: u can jungle pretty comfortably with a stout/hatchet/bfury by like level 10, probably earlier a minute or so earlier on the bfury is a decent chunk of gold yo pms does help in early teamfights but u can just avoid those anyway pms is only 300 gold if you're gonna get a stout shield anyways...that isn't exactly a ton of gold ^_^ | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
On August 30 2012 01:40 TheYango wrote: YYF usually stay on lane much longer than level 2 (and he's the only BH worth learning from IMO--all these other guys are phonies). Usually level 4/5 with at least Boots. The amazing thing is that you watch every game of YYF's BH, and you see his skill order is different for every situation in every game. Stats just makes you farm faster in situations where you have uncontested farm. +2 all stats improves your ability to kill creeps far more than any of his other skills--that should be obvious. There are games where you don't want to get any points of stats because the lane demands you have the other spells, but a lot of these games where the enemy chooses to leave AM to farm, or AM is essentially free-farming a 2v1/3v1, there's zero need to actually have his other skills yet. You just want level 4 blink before your Battle Fury is finished, and level 4 Spell Shield before major teamfights. When did you become a Battlecruiser? | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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When he became operational. Just today | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Na'vi practiced for 10 days total oef. | ||
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