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[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:10:59
August 27 2012 14:10 GMT
#18161
On August 27 2012 23:08 Spicy_Curry wrote:
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On August 27 2012 23:06 [17]Purple wrote:
ARAM with crs and dig apparently match-fixing to split the prize money


All random is kinda wierd but ive seen all mid games in competitive play before. Is that so ground breaking?


ARAM was only the first game and most people thought the money was taken back because of the teams pulling off the stunt.

MLG announced that they would not give out the prize money before saying that it was because of them planning to split the prize money by agreeing on who would win the finals
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
August 27 2012 14:11 GMT
#18162
On August 27 2012 23:06 [17]Purple wrote:
ARAM with crs and dig apparently match-fixing to split the prize money

They are able to choose what mode they play their finals in, and choose all random all mid? Not sure if I understood you correctly lol.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:13:50
August 27 2012 14:13 GMT
#18163


exits with style....

on the scandal thing: every match fixing could ruin the scene. Learn something from Broodwar lol... Not even counting this was between 2 top teams in the scene and its the grand final of a big tournament. After MLG, personalities(most out spoken is totalbiscuit) has started to backfiring LoL and put in some good words for DotA2.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#18164
Wait so in LoL tournaments there isnt a rule in every tournaments book that says games must be played in the equivalent of CM?
lolwtf?
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:19:25
August 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#18165
On August 27 2012 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 23:06 [17]Purple wrote:
ARAM with crs and dig apparently match-fixing to split the prize money

They are able to choose what mode they play their finals in, and choose all random all mid? Not sure if I understood you correctly lol.


If i understand correctly the players just randomed in their tournament mode and just went mid with it. That isnt why its a scandal though, they agreed to split the money allegedly. (No one is dumb enough to say they actually agreed to do that)

Edit: after reading the last few pages of the thread, how can they even defend match fixing thats just beyond !@#!@
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 27 2012 14:19 GMT
#18166
Well splitting money in a way "whoever wins, we still go 50/50 coz we're good friends" is okish (still shady but i'd accept it) but when they decide who wins beforehand it's worst thing that can happen to a competitive activity. So the latter was the case, right?
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:23:54
August 27 2012 14:22 GMT
#18167
splitting prize money is not ok because it reduces the quality of the game significantly, which can turn off viewers = KILLING ESPORTS

If the two finalist teams in TI2 colluded to split prizemoney everyone in this thread would be furious.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 27 2012 14:23 GMT
#18168
Not as bad as match fixing
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 27 2012 14:24 GMT
#18169


Footage of mouz when they beat WE....

seriously, cant find good video footage of TI2 no where but navi channel ~_~... WTFFFFFFF
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:24:38
August 27 2012 14:24 GMT
#18170
On August 27 2012 23:23 Qbek wrote:
Not as bad as match fixing

^agreed, but still a serious sin imo.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 27 2012 14:27 GMT
#18171
On August 27 2012 23:24 PassiveAce wrote:
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On August 27 2012 23:23 Qbek wrote:
Not as bad as match fixing

^agreed, but still a serious sin imo.

I'm just saying it's not a deadly sin and there's still a chance for the guilty. But influencing the outcome of the game beforehand is something that should be dealt with with extreme prejudice
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 27 2012 14:27 GMT
#18172
On August 27 2012 23:23 Qbek wrote:
Not as bad as match fixing

it is match fixing... on agreeing on who win/lose, you essentially decided the out come of the series. There is an underground betting network for every esports event nowaday and these organization could benefit a lot of things like this. There is even 1 for TI2 too. Godz(AL coach, caster...) was bragging on reddit how he bet 200$ on AL bc they have high return... Irony how Zenith and Navi was on top of the chart LOL....
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 27 2012 14:28 GMT
#18173
On August 27 2012 23:27 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 23:23 Qbek wrote:
Not as bad as match fixing

it is match fixing... on agreeing on who win/lose, you essentially decided the out come of the series. There is an underground betting network for every esports event nowaday and these organization could benefit a lot of things like this. There is even 1 for TI2 too. Godz(AL coach, caster...) was bragging on reddit how he bet 200$ on AL bc they have high return... Irony how Zenith and Navi was on top of the chart LOL....

Inb4 na'vi and zenith bet against themselves and win moniez
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 27 2012 14:29 GMT
#18174
im so regretting not register an account and bet on iG... i knew they are the top dog but registering on that website requires photo ID and shit so i didnt feel safe.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 27 2012 14:32 GMT
#18175
On August 27 2012 23:28 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 23:27 NB wrote:
On August 27 2012 23:23 Qbek wrote:
Not as bad as match fixing

it is match fixing... on agreeing on who win/lose, you essentially decided the out come of the series. There is an underground betting network for every esports event nowaday and these organization could benefit a lot of things like this. There is even 1 for TI2 too. Godz(AL coach, caster...) was bragging on reddit how he bet 200$ on AL bc they have high return... Irony how Zenith and Navi was on top of the chart LOL....

Inb4 na'vi and zenith bet against themselves and win moniez

dont even joke about that please >.>
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Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
August 27 2012 14:33 GMT
#18176
On August 27 2012 23:19 Qbek wrote:
Well splitting money in a way "whoever wins, we still go 50/50 coz we're good friends" is okish


I'm seeing this opinion so much around this and it boggles the mind how you can think it doesn't kill the legitimacy of the competition when you remove the stakes and essentially agree that whatever the result, it's a draw. Do you seriously think the teams will play the same as they would if it's a million dollars on the line, do you understand so little about the competitive mindset? Do people who hold this opinion just not value legitimate competition as highly as I do, not caring about the context or the motivation of the players?

I'm really trying to understand, what the hell separates competitive gaming tournaments from a Lets Play series on youtube in your mind if deciding without any ifs ands or buts who is the best competitor is this trivial?
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Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
August 27 2012 15:07 GMT
#18177
It's overblown. Anyone that can do a little deductive thinking can piece it together.+ Show Spoiler +
It seems like the claims of match fixing are based on a misinterpretation of MLG's statement, in which they accuse the teams of "collusion."

-The accusation of match-fixing comes from a one sentence post some mid level employee at riot made on the forums--that's not how Riot would release a statement.
-One of the teams has made two videos where they apologize for all picking random and going mid, but deny accusations of match fixing. The other team has not made a statement and did not make a statement a year ago when they were involved in some other drama.
-The VP of MLG stated on his twitter feed that the "collusion" was visible to "everyone in the room," which can only mean that by collusion he means the decision to all random all mid, not a decision to fix a match.
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 15:09:33
August 27 2012 15:09 GMT
#18178
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 27 2012 15:15 GMT
#18179
it doesnt matter really, RIOT agreed with MLG on their judgement meaning what ever those 2 teams did, it was illegal and they shouldnt have done it. The result has already shown through out people praising dota2 instead and this is good for us, thats all we care but the details.
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 27 2012 15:18 GMT
#18180
On August 28 2012 00:15 NB wrote:
it doesnt matter really, RIOT agreed with MLG on their judgement meaning what ever those 2 teams did, it was illegal and they shouldnt have done it. The result has already shown through out people praising dota2 instead and this is good for us, thats all we care but the details.

unless they signed a contract where it stated they wont do that its not illegal, if they did then it is
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