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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 15:41:39
August 16 2012 15:41 GMT
#16921
Try to look the vods on Synderen stream. Not too far ago he had a playing session where he picked invoker and explained pretty well how to play him ( Quas - Wex )
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 16 2012 15:46 GMT
#16922
Grimorum's a really good Invoker player, this is his youtube channel. Unfortunately he only has one fpvod, and he builds quite strangely in it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/legitxeris/videos
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
August 16 2012 16:10 GMT
#16923
On August 17 2012 00:41 BlitzerSC wrote:
Try to look the vods on Synderen stream. Not too far ago he had a playing session where he picked invoker and explained pretty well how to play him ( Quas - Wex )


I went back over a month on the mtw vod list but there were only like two by him and they were a minute or so long, the rest were all dimaga and some fps player, think you could help me out?


The exort maxing video looks interesting as most of the stuff I am seeing focuses on quas wex, thanks!
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
August 16 2012 19:43 GMT
#16924
I just want to say:

I love drums of endurance. Best item ever.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
August 16 2012 20:03 GMT
#16925
On August 17 2012 04:43 EmilA wrote:
I just want to say:

I love drums of endurance. Best item ever.
I want to hear more.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 20:04:56
August 16 2012 20:03 GMT
#16926
On August 17 2012 00:31 Thermia wrote:
As a league player who just started playing dota 2, I've been having a ton of fun with invoker (it seems his skill cap is insanely high, he's very versatile and unique, etc.) but I don't really know how I should be playing him. I'd guess teamcomp matters since he can fill most holes but are there any good fpview invoker videos or guides? I don't really know the reliable dota sites/authors for guides and it seems like builds are a lot less cut and dry than in league. Thanks!


my simple steps to invoker:
1. pick invoker, demand mid, play quas/exort. own the lane with ridiculous lifereg&lasthitting power and the awesome harrass tool that coldsnap is. around lvl 9 or 10 rosh with your forge spirits,precast so you have another pair rdy when the 1st ones die and if needed take 1 ally with you.
proceed to own the game with coldsnap&forge spirits.

you learn the basics of the hero with a simple and solid build.

2. start using all the spells of your quas/exort build. sunstrike is amazing to help with kills on the lanes while youre mid. icewall just plain stops evrything that touches it. maybe start using 1 point of wex to ghostwalk when ganked.

3. start using other builds. learn their spells. train "invoke micro".

4. be a badass that owns his lane and enemy teams with a super versatile always solid pick



i recommend quas/exort first cause its strong in a very basic style(in the end just coldsnap,spirits and aclick is enough to do decent) and is so strong on the lane. also makes you train sunstrike early. + free rosh cause few people expect it is fun.
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Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
August 16 2012 20:05 GMT
#16927
http://www.own3d.tv/Cyborgmatt/live/20301
WTF. Dazzle dancing.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 16 2012 20:07 GMT
#16928
Dazzle wears pink undies with a heart on the backside... rofl
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 20:12:27
August 16 2012 20:11 GMT
#16929
how do you stream dota2? my buddy is trying @ twitch using xsplit but he just gets a blackscreen when tabbed in dota2 only showing the cursor as he moves it around
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
August 16 2012 20:14 GMT
#16930
On August 17 2012 05:11 Corr wrote:
how do you stream dota2? my buddy is trying @ twitch using xsplit but he just gets a blackscreen when tabbed in dota2 only showing the cursor as he moves it around

Go to windowed fullscreen. Then it should work.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 16 2012 20:28 GMT
#16931
never understand those pubs invokers or even some competitive invoker building QE and get phase drum. Even with phase, you cant out run any hero mid game and pretty much become a glass cannon either way, its better get tread -> medalion for faster roshing ability and max out dps power. The mana regen/cost from medalion is way far superior and needed for a QE invoker as you tend to use more spells compare to QW. This is also why eul/forcestaff is needed.

tldr: fuck phase boots
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 16 2012 20:30 GMT
#16932
Wouldn't quas wex be a lot easier for a 'new' player to learn? All the newbie invokers I play just spam tornado EMP until they learn they have more than 2 spells.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 16 2012 20:30 GMT
#16933
Agreed. Fire Invoker maximizes damage, not mobility. QW Invoker with his Phase, Janggo, Eul's is meant to be fast. You zoom in, EMP & Tornado, cast a cold snap, then zoom out. Fire Invoker you sit there and hit people.
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Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
August 16 2012 20:34 GMT
#16934
You have zero mobility otherwise. You need mobility in pubs or you're gonna have a bad time.


Slomo - yeah that worked!
Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 20:53:38
August 16 2012 20:51 GMT
#16935
I disagree NB, phase boots + drums is still great on QE invoker because you'll be stuck with horrendous movement speed otherwise. If you are solo mid it gives you at least some mobility around the map, rather than just being a pure sunstriker. You CAN run down many heroes because of forge spirits + cold snap, where the treads attackspeed buff will do nothing since cold snap procs as many times as it can anyway with your forge spirits attacking.
Drums also buffs your forge spirits.
Not to mention it will be great as preparation for late game when you get wex and have 522 movespeed.
xsevR
Profile Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
August 16 2012 20:55 GMT
#16936
On August 17 2012 05:34 Corr wrote:
You have zero mobility otherwise. You need mobility in pubs or you're gonna have a bad time.


I agree. For me, Forcestaff/Treads first two items for QE invoker is essential. You get survivability, attack speed, and chase. Having a couple extra hits with exort dmg and cold snap is amazing and lets you be really offensive against the right heroes.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 21:01:13
August 16 2012 20:58 GMT
#16937
On August 17 2012 05:28 NB wrote:
never understand those pubs invokers or even some competitive invoker building QE and get phase drum. Even with phase, you cant out run any hero mid game and pretty much become a glass cannon either way, its better get tread -> medalion for faster roshing ability and max out dps power. The mana regen/cost from medalion is way far superior and needed for a QE invoker as you tend to use more spells compare to QW. This is also why eul/forcestaff is needed.

tldr: fuck phase boots

Most competitive Invoker's I've seen that know what they're doing get Treads on QE Invoker.

On August 17 2012 05:34 Corr wrote:
You have zero mobility otherwise. You need mobility in pubs or you're gonna have a bad time.


Slomo - yeah that worked!

As Quas/Exort, Force or Blink are arguably better than Phase/Janggo for mobility.

Invoker actually has awful base movement speed, so %-based MS increases aren't that good on him. The only reason Phase+Janggo is good for Quas/Wex is that you get such an insane amount off Wex orbs, and you only need a small amount more (which Phase+Janggo covers) to hit 522.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 16 2012 20:59 GMT
#16938
phase drums force hex/eul agha. And that's the build you can use even if you're q/e or q/w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
August 16 2012 21:14 GMT
#16939
phase mom with coldsnap alacrity
followed by crit usually
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 16 2012 21:18 GMT
#16940
On August 17 2012 06:14 Kupon3ss wrote:
phase mom with coldsnap alacrity
followed by crit usually

That sounds more like a build for Wex/Exort than Quas/Exort.
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