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Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
August 10 2012 14:09 GMT
#16281
On August 10 2012 20:52 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 20:03 Catch]22 wrote:
On August 10 2012 18:43 Erasme wrote:
On August 10 2012 16:09 Kiante wrote:
I've been trying something different lately. in pubs i've only been picking from the pool of heroes i dont have enough games on to get a performance rating. it's helping me branch out with my choices and learning heroes that when i random i fail with

I did that with alche and sb. I'im now 1/4 with alche and 0/5 with sb. Never gonna play them again

Useless discussion, icefrog already said that he won't add concede.


Did you skill greed early? If you skill greed early, you're gonna have a bad time.


Yeah i skill greed early, usually I dont max his green stuff before lvl 25


Greed scales terribly, at most, you'll want one level early, if you're confident with last hitting, and then level up the rest after everything else. His Acid Spray is probably his best non-ult skill. It allows you to farm very well in the mid game (something that Alchemist needs more than most heroes), keeps enemies away from you in the early game (I don't need to tell you how great this is) and even gives armour reduction for your allies! Rule of thumb is, if your lane is getting dominated, max Acid Spray up early, if not, max Unstable Concoction early for kills. The mana is high, but a RoB and your ult clears that up fine.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 10 2012 14:11 GMT
#16282
On August 10 2012 22:59 Catch]22 wrote:
I play alot of alchemist, and I strongly disagree, I usually level the stun to lvl 4 when I'm level seven, it is a complete monster. Then depending on the lane, I max out acid spray OR get ONE level of greed.

Even when I got freefarm I usually dont put more than two in greed, it just isnt that much extra gold until mid-lategame when you can purge the entire forest or entire waves.

Try playing him not like you would void (skill greed and farm 24/7) but instead running around headbutting stuff with your immortal ogre. It works like an absolute charm.

like rly why would you max his stun first, its the worst single target ability in the game imo, while acid spray is actualy a good spell
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 14:13:18
August 10 2012 14:12 GMT
#16283
Don't get a rob on alch.
It won't really help you spamming your spells. And as soon as you get a lvl of ulti you don't need much mana regen anyway. A soul ring would most probably be much better.

And btw greed actually scales really really good.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 10 2012 14:15 GMT
#16284
rob is good for some early armor which you dont have at the start
Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
August 10 2012 14:16 GMT
#16285
Anyone else get laggy menus in the game? Takesa few minutes to get past the connecting to the dota 2 network screen, Takes like 30 seconds to actually join the queue after i press the button...and i missed a queue and it got stuck with the "A Player Declined the Match" message and doesn't go away after restarting..

Happened a couple times over the last couple of days >.<
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
August 10 2012 14:17 GMT
#16286
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.
=Þ
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 10 2012 14:17 GMT
#16287
no I just get stuck on like Im still in a game even after I leave it and can only get rid of it by restarting the game
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 10 2012 14:17 GMT
#16288
On August 10 2012 23:15 cilinder007 wrote:
rob is good for some early armor which you dont have at the start


Would then much rather build tranq boots instead of rob.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 10 2012 14:18 GMT
#16289
On August 10 2012 23:17 Heh_ wrote:
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.

And if you get chainstuned for 5 seconds you self chain stun for 4 more
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
August 10 2012 14:21 GMT
#16290
On August 10 2012 23:17 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:15 cilinder007 wrote:
rob is good for some early armor which you dont have at the start


Would then much rather build tranq boots instead of rob.


I prefer phase boots. You still get speed out of them, and you're going to get all the healing you need from your ult, so the extra damage from phase is pretty helpful.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
August 10 2012 14:21 GMT
#16291
mouz vs eg in 40 minutos
yeyeyey
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
August 10 2012 14:27 GMT
#16292
On August 10 2012 23:18 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:17 Heh_ wrote:
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.

And if you get chainstuned for 5 seconds you self chain stun for 4 more

Btw you need to get chainstunned for 7 seconds.
=Þ
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 10 2012 14:31 GMT
#16293
On August 10 2012 23:27 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:18 Qbek wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:17 Heh_ wrote:
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.

And if you get chainstuned for 5 seconds you self chain stun for 4 more

Btw you need to get chainstunned for 7 seconds.

throwing it right away is not very effective
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 10 2012 14:36 GMT
#16294
Most of the time even a one second stun is enough to run out of range. Alch can most of the time just initiate with it.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 14:54:29
August 10 2012 14:42 GMT
#16295
On August 10 2012 23:31 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:27 Heh_ wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:18 Qbek wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:17 Heh_ wrote:
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.

And if you get chainstuned for 5 seconds you self chain stun for 4 more

Btw you need to get chainstunned for 7 seconds.

throwing it right away is not very effective


alch is such a strange hero. He farms a lot, has a lot of potential, but it does not enought dmg I guess. I was playing against a really fat alch earlier today. He had phase vang and rad 24 minutes in. He was stomping my team left and right. we had a very disable heavy team, and when the teambatles started (25-30 minutes into the game) alch had no chance do to anything. He used to be such a strong hero in chinese dota 1. not anymore I guess.


Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 14:44:44
August 10 2012 14:44 GMT
#16296
On August 10 2012 23:17 Heh_ wrote:
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.


wat, you should never stun yourself unless they got drow or some other annoying megasilence
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 14:48:34
August 10 2012 14:47 GMT
#16297
On August 10 2012 23:42 Kznn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:31 cilinder007 wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:27 Heh_ wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:18 Qbek wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:17 Heh_ wrote:
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.

And if you get chainstuned for 5 seconds you self chain stun for 4 more

Btw you need to get chainstunned for 7 seconds.

throwing it right away is not very effective


alch is such a strange hero. He farms a lot, has a lot of potential, but it does no do enought dmg I guess. I was playing against a really fat alch earlier today. He had phase vang and rad 24 minutes in. He was stomping my team left and right. we had a very disable heavy team, and when the teambatles started (25-30 minutes into the game) alch had no chance do to anything. He used to be such a strong hero in chinese dota 1. not anymore I guess.




He's just got some great properties that can't be exploited very well. His attack speed is among the best in the game, but him being a big target, he just gets burst to hell. And if he builds tanky, all he has is his acid and his terrible stun. He's not in a good place.

On August 10 2012 23:44 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:17 Heh_ wrote:
Alch stun is one of the best single target stuns if it actually lands. It's bad because it almost always ends up stunning himself.


wat, you should never stun yourself unless they got drow or some other annoying megasilence


or if they juke heavily. People tend to want to wait until the 2 seconds pop up before they throw, and it's not hard to duck into the trees for a couple of seconds.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 16:12:01
August 10 2012 15:03 GMT
#16298
You should be somewhat able to predict if they are going to try to juke and fire it off early, its still like 2 seconds of stun instead of 3, should be plenty. Of course there is a risk involved. Of course, against some teams, getting it off in big teamfights can become a nightmare, but it is good enough in other situations, as well as for initiating, escaping etc to skill IMO.
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
August 10 2012 16:40 GMT
#16299
apparently axe bh cant get dispelled this patch
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
August 10 2012 16:43 GMT
#16300
On August 11 2012 01:40 tube wrote:
apparently axe bh cant get dispelled this patch

Well that's a little broken rofl
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