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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 31 2012 20:44 GMT
#15621
Real Men Random is my moto when i solo queue...
Except sometime you random a fucking alchemist and repick Mirana for some god tier arrow. :-*

http://stats.dota2.be/player/72468268

So i played almost 1k6 games:
68 Naix
59 Mirana
51 BH
48 Profit
46 Lycan

I blame -sd for this xD
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 21:04:15
July 31 2012 20:45 GMT
#15622
I thought BH was BS and thought you were insane for a second.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 21:34:46
July 31 2012 21:33 GMT
#15623
[image loading]
this is priceless lol.


edit; it's twitter read from the bottom up.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
July 31 2012 21:33 GMT
#15624
On August 01 2012 00:34 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 22:14 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On July 31 2012 20:59 BurningSera wrote:
Ye he announced on pd forum of his 1000th game. Personally I think sk is a well designed hero (i played him for so many games back then) but there is no way he is the 'fun' hero :S and if you watched his play there is nothing extraordinary too. I guess is just the love for certain hero? I couldn't play any hero for 1000games, my record is probably played rubick for 2 weeks straight back then (~50 games max).


reading my thread makes my head hurt

it's like reading a progaming team's Facebook fanpage - post a picture of Oz/MC/whoever, instant "LOL FOREVER A VIRGIN" comments.


Wait dude that was you???? lol since you are a TL-er, then wp for you haha

now tell us why/how/what drives you to pick SK in every game!


whoops

I'm not Pirate, I have no idea why I typed 'my thread' instead of 'that thread'
ffxiv enjoyer
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 31 2012 22:17 GMT
#15625
dota 2 at mlg over league...one can dream
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 31 2012 22:19 GMT
#15626
Why do so many people think they are mutually exclusive.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 22:31:16
July 31 2012 22:30 GMT
#15627
I'm sure this has been discussed before and this point has been made but not with the size Dota 2 is currently. MLG doesn't start with a giant prizepool for anything, and without that European and Asian teams won't go, and without them it's just not a very good DotA tournament. Even with MLG production I don't think you will get very impressive numbers at a tournament where the best team is EG, played at American hours which is pretty much unwatchable for Eastern Europe even if there was interest.

Not to mention the fact that Riot is hostile to other dotalikes as 2GD mentions here.


I also read some random LoL pro's comments on how Riot employees basically order ESL staff around at events; they have a lot of leverage as they are the ones with the money and aren't afraid to throw it around.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
July 31 2012 23:12 GMT
#15628
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 01 2012 06:33 crms wrote:
[image loading]
this is priceless lol.


edit; it's twitter read from the bottom up.



Oooh, it finally makes sense. You have to put it in context though. He was making a call to a call centre. A bit blur today.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 31 2012 23:13 GMT
#15629
Sending 5 players+1 manager quite expensive sadly .
WriterXiao8~~
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
July 31 2012 23:34 GMT
#15630
^^ Good thing DotA 2 is not a moba But yeah, probably the most depressing thing about the video are the comments. My god, some people are crazy. It reminds me of people that would be in a cult of some sort, and they are completely brainwashed.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 31 2012 23:39 GMT
#15631
Hopefully other big tournaments don't put up with that shit and it backfires on them. What'd end up happening is riot just throws money at MLG to keep their game stand alone, and other tournaments just flat out deny them and dota would be up there for free.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 23:53:01
July 31 2012 23:52 GMT
#15632
I can't say I'm surprised by the animosity to LoL and Riot. Although still disappointed. But such is the fickleness of the internet.

For what it's worth, Riot Games is a company that relies on retaining its players in its game. It has no backup plan. Therefore, it can't afford to play nice. It's a small company whose unlikely success has found it in the big leagues against everyone. Right now, they're in a dominant position in the market thanks to releasing earlier. And you'd be a fool to think they're not going to leverage that advantage as hard as possible. At the same time, their support for their game has been astounding. They really believe in E-Sports. It's quite surprising how much they've done behind the scenes.

Compare this to Blizzard or Valve. These companies have cash cow franchises or other means of financial support. Valve practically gets showered with money due to Steam locking in its customers to its distribution network. Valve could never make a game again and they'd have a viable financial future.

As for tournaments, ultimately, they have a business to run. MLG was in the red before Sundance came over. He's not running a charity here. If DotA proves to be commercially viable, then it's something he'll explore. Even a trial tournament or one off event is not without its risks (and not just financial risks). I have no doubt that DotA tournaments will eventually breakout to the same level of exposure that League enjoys. But to think it's just about money... not quite.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 00:03:01
August 01 2012 00:01 GMT
#15633
Lol? Do you even know who funds riot? Ever heard of tencent? One of the biggest corporations in the world? There's retaining players, and then there's trying to hold a monopoly-esque grasp on dota genre games by bullying their competition out of tournaments. They don't believe in esports. They believe in competition attracting a lot of attention. But why have they withheld adding a replay system for 3 years and why was it only until recently (coincidentally a few months after valve's) a spectating system was added? How come their competitive players don't get necessities for competition like runes and heroes for free? It's hilarious when they have to remake a game cause someone doesn't own a hero.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
August 01 2012 00:12 GMT
#15634
Yeah, I am not surprised at all. I have honestly lost all respect for them (what little was left). I get it, business is business. But when you go from trying to make money to potentially hindering E-sports for the sake of it, that is when I get annoyed. I am not one of those people who will hate on a business for trying to make money. But this is just hurting E-sports as a whole. It tells us that if you want to make it big in the E-sport scene, you have to pay the big bucks. You have the potential to screw others over just by throwing money at them and it disgusts me.

I do wonder if this is the disagreement they had with WCG which caused loL to not be on the list. I would give them props for it if it were the case. Granted, I do not have any evidence so just a blind guess.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 01 2012 00:25 GMT
#15635
On August 01 2012 09:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Lol? Do you even know who funds riot? Ever heard of tencent? One of the biggest corporations in the world? There's retaining players, and then there's trying to hold a monopoly-esque grasp on dota genre games by bullying their competition out of tournaments. They don't believe in esports. They believe in competition attracting a lot of attention. But why have they withheld adding a replay system for 3 years and why was it only until recently (coincidentally a few months after valve's) a spectating system was added? How come their competitive players don't get necessities for competition like runes and heroes for free? It's hilarious when they have to remake a game cause someone doesn't own a hero.

Ok. I normally have a policy on not responding to things that are obviously going to end up in an internet arguement.. but I'll bite.

Firstly, Tencent has a majority of the shares in Riot Games, however they have no control over the operations of Riot. That was actually a clause that was negotiated in the 2011 purchase agreement. You're free to go read it if you don't believe me.

Secondly, what do you really want Riot to do? They're not going to just roll over and let everyone walk on them. If a company can negotiate a non-compete agreement, then they're going to take it. No company is really going to go out there and do thing for a vague principle such as the moral good. I highly doubt that if the tables were turned, Valve would just let Riot set up a tournament right next to them every MLG. Take Team Fortress for example. It's a massive franchise that practically dominates the F2P FPS market. Valve isn't going to stop throwing money at that in the name of competition or E-Sports or any other vague principle. It hurts the market as a whole. And it's completely within their right. Every company does this, whether you realise it or not, whether it's under or over the table.

Thirdly, the Spectator Mode system has been in development for nearly a year. It's not like they magically created it out of thin air. These things take time. So to say they lifted it right out of DotA is a misnomer.

Fourthly, in official tournaments players play on custom servers that are flown into the tournament venue and given special accounts with all content unlocked. You are probably referring to low level online tournaments. If you're really at the level of playing LoL seriously, you'll have sunk enough time in it to have unlocked everything you need.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 01 2012 01:03 GMT
#15636
wow i just met a bunch of cheaters inside the game. Use spec to cheat for wards and rosh timing. They pretty much know lycan gona rosh when they see the item completion and his smoke purchase. Worst part is: they were all feeding pathetic WHILE insulting each others.... Fucking US sever cant ever find games without assholes. Now aday i really prefer russian over majority of american dota.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
August 01 2012 01:03 GMT
#15637


Can't wait for Puck to start being played in Dota 2. I bloody love the Pinot dota 1 games and can't wait for them to start playing dota 2 aswell.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
August 01 2012 02:10 GMT
#15638
http://twitter.com/Dota2CalloutBot

heheheheheheheheheheheh

this is beyond humorous
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 01 2012 02:13 GMT
#15639
On August 01 2012 10:03 NB wrote:
wow i just met a bunch of cheaters inside the game. Use spec to cheat for wards and rosh timing. They pretty much know lycan gona rosh when they see the item completion and his smoke purchase. Worst part is: they were all feeding pathetic WHILE insulting each others.... Fucking US sever cant ever find games without assholes. Now aday i really prefer russian over majority of american dota.

How ? I understand for wards, but shouldnt lycan be able to finish roshan in 2min ? Or they camp the pit once he has meda + vlads?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 01 2012 02:18 GMT
#15640
well they check items progression i guess. Its so sad that they were all like: Lycan roshing guy-> go to rosh pit -> lycan killed them all -> lycan took rosh...

I hardly talk to people in pub but this time i was quite raging so hard. I cant even came up with a match making solution to get rid of these type of trash can players. ~_~
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
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