EPTBattle hunger is just so much damage and in the right circumstance you can kill lots of heroes just zoning them and denying creeps with a quelling blade while hunger ticks.
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Medzo
United States627 Posts
Battle hunger is just so much damage and in the right circumstance you can kill lots of heroes just zoning them and denying creeps with a quelling blade while hunger ticks. | ||
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Blitz
United States706 Posts
I dont even bother talking with people anymore. Good to see you acknowledge your weaknesses / things you might have difficulty with. More conducive to your play long term. Omni low mana since soul ring = free mana :D And reddit inhouses are doubly worse since everyone feels entitled etc... | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
being an underleveld crystal maiden at night with a Night stalker on the prowl is pretty depressing. not to mention BH/various other stealth heroes. on the other hand its great when you dominate the lane or win other lanes for your team by (smoke) ganking. also, Tank Visage was the greatest shit, plus dumbest splitpush with like 7 Gargoyles. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 26 2012 20:44 Klonere wrote: Well I played two reddit all random in houses last night and learned some things - I shouldn't play All Random - Enchantress is hard - As good as I think I am, I am still a noob and belong in low MMR - Hard support is really hard to do from a personal enjoyment perspective sometimes - People get really mad at video games. - Omni has a deceptively low amount of mana - Low level solo queue is more bearable from manners point of view than Reddit IH - PL with 18 min radiance and PA with 25 min Divine after ridiculously fast Midas (while mid vs Viper!) is pretty hard to beat! - Despite all the negative experiences and flame, getting so conclusively crushed can put things in perspective for you. - Even if you feed and are a noob, don't try and flame back, just apologize and acknowledge that you are bad publicly and people will understand (hopefully). First time I played Dota 2 with real people was in team liquids inhouse and I had a very similar experience, but there's just so far you can go apologizing for being bad until you get sick of people still not understanding that you're fucking new and suck. Conversations become like this: "Dude, you suck." "Yes I know, sorry, I've only had the game for a few days." "You're like really terrible." "I know, I will have to train a lot" "Just leave game, you're awful" "Yes, sorry etc" "Damn you're bad" "Shut the fuck up, god damnit. I got it the first time." When you're new, you really don't have many options unless you have friends playing the game. Either soloqueue, or ask for MM stacks in chats, and be VERY CLEAR that you're new at the game BEFORE the game starts. | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:01 Tobberoth wrote: First time I played Dota 2 with real people was in team liquids inhouse and I had a very similar experience, but there's just so far you can go apologizing for being bad until you get sick of people still not understanding that you're fucking new and suck. Conversations become like this: "Dude, you suck." "Yes I know, sorry, I've only had the game for a few days." "You're like really terrible." "I know, I will have to train a lot" "Just leave game, you're awful" "Yes, sorry etc" "Damn you're bad" "Shut the fuck up, god damnit. I got it the first time." When you're new, you really don't have many options unless you have friends playing the game. Either soloqueue, or ask for MM stacks in chats, and be VERY CLEAR that you're new at the game BEFORE the game starts. ...or do what every single person you care to ask will tell you and play against bots and maybe watch a few games? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:12 Bash wrote: ...or do what every single person you care to ask will tell you and play against bots and maybe watch a few games? Playing against bots and watching a few games won't make you good or even decent at Dota 2, though it will take you from "I hope you die" to "please don't play on my team again". Personally I have over 125 hours played in Dota 2, only 7 games won, because I spend 95%+ of my time playing against bots. It's a waste of time really, you don't learn much after a certain point since bots are so predictable and only play the same heroes always, but it's better than solo-queueing at the bottom of the ladder. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:15 Tobberoth wrote: Playing against bots and watching a few games won't make you good or even decent at Dota 2, though it will take you from "I hope you die" to "please don't play on my team again". Personally I have over 125 hours played in Dota 2, only 7 games won, because I spend 95%+ of my time playing against bots. It's a waste of time really, you don't learn much after a certain point since bots are so predictable and only play the same heroes always, but it's better than solo-queueing at the bottom of the ladder. Bots teach you how to not overextend. If you move a few pixels too far you just die against them, which I find highly useful - you learn how fast certain heroes can combo you down if you're not careful. Bots also teach you that at any point your team may leave you behind, or abandon Rosh to hunt someone across the map. And you can practice lasthitting very well. Hell, they even simulate feeders on your or the enemy team. That's about it though. Not very satisfying, as you said - I play one game with a new hero against bots to get a feel for it before rolling out into pubs, which is enough unless we're talking about the likes of Invoker. ^^ What Two_DoWn says below me is how I learned to play. ^^ | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Although to be fair I do have a fairly extensive lol background so I already know how to play, it was just mostly a matter of learning items/champs. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:15 Tobberoth wrote: Playing against bots and watching a few games won't make you good or even decent at Dota 2, though it will take you from "I hope you die" to "please don't play on my team again". Personally I have over 125 hours played in Dota 2, only 7 games won, because I spend 95%+ of my time playing against bots. It's a waste of time really, you don't learn much after a certain point since bots are so predictable and only play the same heroes always, but it's better than solo-queueing at the bottom of the ladder. Playing against bots teaches you how to last hit, how not to overextend, general map sense, how to play certain heroes, and in general, how to actually play the game. I played with a 1-win dude who doesn't know how to play conservatively when there's 4 stunners on the opponent's team and 2 of them are missing. Bots will teach you that it's a stupid idea to be next to the opponent's t1 tower in the suicide lane in that circumstance. | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
Best way to learn is to play solo with a friend or friends, using some form of voice chat that isnt in game voice, and playing against real people. i didnt start with anyone and played solo, but i know if i had friends to help me i would have learned alot faster. When i started i played about 10 bot games to get the feel of the map/flow/mechanics. I understood how these types of games are to be played (dont die alot, kills are not everything, last hit.) Just play ALOT, and deal with people and the shit they talk. After 5 days or real practice you wont be total trash. After 700+ hours over a 3 month span, you should find yourself out of the lowest bracket, and better then 75% of the people who play the game. Thats how it was for me, and thats how it can be for anyone | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Last night i was raging at our channel because i had a 500+games player first time lycan and another fcking morphing with threads+eblade at 30mins, me mirana and wisp were fighting and winning 3v5 for most of the time in first 25mins and suddenly we realized we had a lycan (he had 0/0/0 at 20min). YEAH, told us he is first time lycan AFTER 20mins in game. Bottomline is, remember everyone was once a noob too (so please fcking accept the fact that you will most certainly be useless as a newbie) and please remember your total noobishness will ruin people game for sure, especially now we have a mm system. The best thing to do is just go play against bots, the bots are well designed so why not??? And go read tonnes of guides (be it bad or not, you will know that after you tried it) if you wanna speed up the learning process. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
* Go "Doing roshan!" and standing by roshan for 3-4 minutes, not attacking him. Even if you go and attack him, they just stand around like idiots. * Go "Doing roshan!", attack him, then leave after 5 seconds. * TP back to base, even with full HP, after a teamfight is won instead of pushing. * Run into a whole team of enemies, alone. Usually this is because one opponent has low HP and I guess they have simulated tunnel vision, but sometimes they simply run in. * Running away from towers mid towerpush, even though no enemies are near and the tower is about to go down. * Not actively defending towers even when there's a good chance at defending them. There's also the problem that bots are very different depending on hero. Some bots are quite good, while others are horrible. Crystal Maiden bot is a classic and will feed hardcore, while Sven bot has a tendency to be quite fed. Bane bot is another which will usually get decent stats. Apparently, this patch fixed a TON of stuff concerning bots, so it's hopefully better now. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
Try them all, and choose one that you're comfortable with - mass bot games, or just straight into MM... either way, you'll still have to play the game itself, | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:47 Tobberoth wrote: I get a feeling you guys haven't actually played a lot with bots. They are far from welldesigned. They are loads better than bots in LoL (at least when I played LoL), but they are still ridiculously dumb and bugged. Common things bot will do: * Go "Doing roshan!" and standing by roshan for 3-4 minutes, not attacking him. Even if you go and attack him, they just stand around like idiots. * Go "Doing roshan!", attack him, then leave after 5 seconds. * TP back to base, even with full HP, after a teamfight is won instead of pushing. * Run into a whole team of enemies, alone. Usually this is because one opponent has low HP and I guess they have simulated tunnel vision, but sometimes they simply run in. * Running away from towers mid towerpush, even though no enemies are near and the tower is about to go down. * Not actively defending towers even when there's a good chance at defending them. There's also the problem that bots are very different depending on hero. Some bots are quite good, while others are horrible. Crystal Maiden bot is a classic and will feed hardcore, while Sven bot has a tendency to be quite fed. Bane bot is another which will usually get decent stats. Apparently, this patch fixed a TON of stuff concerning bots, so it's hopefully better now. All the things you listed(aside from standing next to Roshan) happen in pubs all the time, I don't see the problem with that...? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:50 [17]Purple wrote: ^Yep bots now attack Roshan and often die while doing it without even trying to run away It's dumb too, they could fix it so easily... just have bots RECOMMEND roshan and only go for him if you ping or attack him, it's completely unrealistic behaviour to go for Roshan when you're not even powerful enough to attack him, has anyone here ever seen a player die to roshan in a normal game? (Unless there was some huge fight in Roshans lair I guess). | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:47 Tobberoth wrote: I get a feeling you guys haven't actually played a lot with bots. They are far from welldesigned. They are loads better than bots in LoL (at least when I played LoL), but they are still ridiculously dumb and bugged. Common things bot will do: * Go "Doing roshan!" and standing by roshan for 3-4 minutes, not attacking him. Even if you go and attack him, they just stand around like idiots. * Go "Doing roshan!", attack him, then leave after 5 seconds. * TP back to base, even with full HP, after a teamfight is won instead of pushing. * Run into a whole team of enemies, alone. Usually this is because one opponent has low HP and I guess they have simulated tunnel vision, but sometimes they simply run in. * Running away from towers mid towerpush, even though no enemies are near and the tower is about to go down. * Not actively defending towers even when there's a good chance at defending them. There's also the problem that bots are very different depending on hero. Some bots are quite good, while others are horrible. Crystal Maiden bot is a classic and will feed hardcore, while Sven bot has a tendency to be quite fed. Bane bot is another which will usually get decent stats. Apparently, this patch fixed a TON of stuff concerning bots, so it's hopefully better now. what? why bashing so hard? it is test client and they just implement a new bot system this week. Its called 'test client' for a reason. These types of post should be in dev forum to help they patch the thing, not here where its pretty much useless -_- | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:53 NB wrote: what? why bashing so hard? it is test client and they just implement a new bot system this week. Its called 'test client' for a reason. These types of post should be in dev forum to help they patch the thing, not here where its pretty much useless -_- Whut, test client? I only play on the normal client. And these comments are all over the dev forum already, they are well aware of the issues with the bots and are working on them, it's just a low priority (which makes perfect sense). | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On July 26 2012 22:47 Tobberoth wrote: I get a feeling you guys haven't actually played a lot with bots. They are far from welldesigned. They are loads better than bots in LoL (at least when I played LoL), but they are still ridiculously dumb and bugged. Common things bot will do: * Go "Doing roshan!" and standing by roshan for 3-4 minutes, not attacking him. Even if you go and attack him, they just stand around like idiots. * Go "Doing roshan!", attack him, then leave after 5 seconds. * TP back to base, even with full HP, after a teamfight is won instead of pushing. * Run into a whole team of enemies, alone. Usually this is because one opponent has low HP and I guess they have simulated tunnel vision, but sometimes they simply run in. * Running away from towers mid towerpush, even though no enemies are near and the tower is about to go down. * Not actively defending towers even when there's a good chance at defending them. There's also the problem that bots are very different depending on hero. Some bots are quite good, while others are horrible. Crystal Maiden bot is a classic and will feed hardcore, while Sven bot has a tendency to be quite fed. Bane bot is another which will usually get decent stats. Apparently, this patch fixed a TON of stuff concerning bots, so it's hopefully better now. Screw bots. Learning DOTA is all about getting raged at, feeding hardcore uncontrollably when you're still newb, and debating about whose fault it actually is when the game is lost. Absolutely nothing wrong with dying and causing others to lose, so long as you make a conscious attempt to figure out how to not feed in your subsequent games. Everyone starts off with giant loss streaks all the time, and it's a lot more enjoyable if you have friends to queue with. | ||
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