IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.

Unleashing

Denmark14978 Posts

August 20 2014 17:16 GMT

#124101

No i got the reference, but i just stated that it might not become an issue this time. IF it is true, obviously.

Alliance stated they want to communicate in their native tongue. So it's a relevant thing to consider.

andyrau

13015 Posts

August 20 2014 17:29 GMT

#124102

so what ur trying to say is that your reflexes are too fast

teddyoojo

Germany22369 Posts

August 20 2014 17:36 GMT

#124103

On August 21 2014 01:58 Comeh wrote:

Show nested quote +

Who is chessie?

Would s4 be leaving then?

chessie was bigtime hon player
and every team wants s4 pretty much so he can do whatever he wants

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 20 2014 17:40 GMT

#124104

Why do people want s4? He's a great player, no doubt about that, but his favored mid style isn't guaranteed to be excellent. Maybe mid will shift back to non-farming after the patch, but I'm not sold on it. He seems like a bit of a gamble of a pickup right now.

goody153

44313 Posts

August 20 2014 17:43 GMT

#124105

Idk s4 seems really ok with farming-heroes in mid. His TA and SF seems fine. It's just that he is so much better with playmaking heroes.

S4 is probably the best solo mid the EU.

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 20 2014 17:44 GMT

#124106

"Best solo mid" hasn't meant anything for a while now, though. Mid is won or lost based on support rotations, not individual skill. Maybe that'll change after next patch, but I wouldn't count on it.

babysimba

10466 Posts

August 20 2014 17:46 GMT

#124107

Well non-farming mid will work as long as those overpowered anti-carries get nerfed next patch which i think is very likely. Doom or even solo chrono just shit on solo core with so much reliability.

goody153

44313 Posts

August 20 2014 17:46 GMT

#124108

Fair enough how about best midplayer in europe :D i mean the player with biggest impact or flashy plays or whatever i give up ;;

nerf on anti-carry(doom,FV,razor) and some nerf on SoD that actually makes the item not a "YOLO" item.

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 20 2014 17:48 GMT

#124109

It ain't a hero problem, it's an offlane problem. Offlane is capable of doing everything mid used to be able to do, so it's better to just have a farming safelane and a farming mid and let the offlane create space along with the supports.

crms

United States11933 Posts

August 20 2014 17:50 GMT

#124110

those buffs to offlane in the recent patches have been quite huge and often overlooked.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 20 2014 17:50 GMT

#124111

I am not sure about this "anti-carry" term people are throwing around, but people need to narrow it down a bit. I've seen people called tinker and razor both and anti-carry. That is a wide net they are throwing with this term.

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 20 2014 17:51 GMT

#124112

It's the post-TI3 patch that did it. I hope at least some of those changes get reversed. The shitty finals we had in TI4 were caused in part by those changes.

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 20 2014 17:53 GMT

#124113

On August 21 2014 02:50 Plansix wrote:
I am not sure about this "anti-carry" term people are throwing around, but people need to narrow it down a bit. I've seen people called tinker and razor both and anti-carry. That is a wide net they are throwing with this term.

I don't think you can really call Tinker an anti-carry, but the term just means a hero that's really, really good at locking down a single enemy and who lacks a huge amount of carry potential outside of that. Razor is an excellent example, because of Static Link. Doom too, thanks to Doom.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

August 20 2014 17:54 GMT

#124114

Razor is by definition an anti-carry if you look at his skillset, pretty much the main one people mention along with Doom. Tinker is more of a carry with the way he was being played recently, but I guess with the perma CC build it's not such a stretch to call him an anticarry.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 20 2014 17:54 GMT

#124115

On August 21 2014 02:51 Acritter wrote:
It's the post-TI3 patch that did it. I hope at least some of those changes get reversed. The shitty finals we had in TI4 were caused in part by those changes.

Are you sure it wasn't just a team getting figured out and throwing hard? I have watched a lot of sporting events in my time and that shit just happens. 95% of the time its the human players fault, not the game, when we get a shitty finals.

teddyoojo

Germany22369 Posts

August 20 2014 17:57 GMT

#124116

trust me, the meta is fucked up atm we really need a patch and quick

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 20 2014 17:57 GMT

#124117

I'm sure. Those kinds of push strats simply weren't viable back during TI3 era, nor the midgame super teamfight strat. Vici could not have reached the grand finals doing what they were doing, and neither could Newbee. They would have been playing a different game, one that simply doesn't allow stomps of that magnitude with that kind of regularity.

And remember, it wasn't just Vici being stomped. Newbee got stomped one game too.

goody153

44313 Posts

August 20 2014 17:58 GMT

#124118

Oh yeah about tinker.

Idk if it needs a nerf or not but the Hero is just so goddamn so strong in lategame. Like really really strong. How do you even nerf the hero without completely making it useless ?

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 20 2014 17:58 GMT

#124119

On August 21 2014 02:57 teddyoojo wrote:
trust me, the meta is fucked up atm we really need a patch and quick

As much as I hate this patch in competitive, I can't really agree with that. It's an awful patch for organized competitive teams, but it's honestly just fine for pubs with the exception of Faceless Void and Tinker, the united enemies of fun.